Player Signing Patriots Extend Ben Brown

[Real fan 02]

Garrett Bradbury is pretty young. Im not sure they move on from him.

Bradbury is 28 i believe. You're correct relatively young. We need more push up the middle in the run game.. I believe Wilson provides that.

 

[dliverey44]

He'll be eligible after Week 18, as will the rest of the 2023 class.

Yea

Just info to pass on all rookies are eligible for an extension after they complete their 3rd season

 

[RxJock1120]

Not flashy, but a strong move. Probably gives them a bit more leverage in negotiating with Owenu

I really don't think we move on from Owenu this offseason, he would only be a 7.5M dead cap hit and a savings of about 18M. He is not bad, but not worth 25M to keep.

 

[ViperGTS]

Rebuilding teams don't usually make this deal with a player of Browns caliber, a decent starting offensive lineman. A guy like that usually would politely decline and take a higher offer sheet in RFA.

This a deal that contenders make with a player that wants to be there. Thats a big deal.

 

[mgteich]

Good depth signing. Lowe has been better than last year... but IDK how i feel about him as the long term tackle back up. He's okayish in that role, but is there someone a bit better we can get i wonder? Curious where Bryant is. I think Munford has been a good signing too.

While i still don't love our OL depth, it is clearly better now than it was last year.

So if we could get everyone back (except we cut and plug someone we like into Onwenu's starting spot) how do we feel about this depth chart?

IOL: Wilson ????? Bradbury Brown Wallace
OT: Moses Campbell Lowe Munford Bryant

Personally i'd like to upgrade Bradbury too... he was brought here to be a run guy, and that hasn't happened at all... Been okay on passing downs, which is the opposite of what we thought we'd get. So I'd like to upgrade that spot too. Also would like to upgrade Wallace... it says a lot he couldn't get on the field last game. They didn't trust him for a single snap. So i think all 3 should be on the block, It be a big turnover, but for the best IMO.

As for the OTs... I'd be okay running it back.

BOTTOM LINE
Extend Lowe and Munford and we have a 2026 line that would be a bit better than this year's line. Of course, we would look for upgrades and even a cap savings equivalent to Onwenu.

LG/C
Wilson, Bradbury, Brown is OK.

RG
"Plug in someone we like into Onewenu's starting position"? That's your plan? If we can find someone in free agency, we will sign him to replace Onwenu. Extending Onwenu seems more likely.

Wallace is the plan as the backup? Look at the LG "plan" last year. We will need to bring in more, in free agency and the draft. especially if we sign an older vet to replace Onwenu. We have no backups as of now.

OT
starters: OK with Campbell and Moses
Backups: both current backups are free agents: Lowe and Munford: I'm Ok with them as backups, but a draftee is likely.

THE INACTIVES
Wallace and Bryant are prospects that are on the 53 and have shown nothing. That's fine. The team thinks enough of them to protect them on the roster so that they can compete in 2026. Vrabel preferred an elevation to Wallace and Munford with almost no practice to Bryant.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

This is good news. At the very least hes a quality backup

 

[Water Boy]

He's our new Ted Karras. Very solid backup guard and center.

I hope they move Wilson to Center next year.

I saw Onwenu make some nice blocks in the Baltimore game. I'd be ok with rolling with him another year, but I know his contract is enormous.

 

[Zuma]

Bradbury and Wilson are the weak links on the O-line. Especially with the running game.

BOTH need to be improved upon.

Lazar mentioned on Catch-22 a few weeks ago that Wilson will be better at Center next season then he is at LG this season. I'm like...If you say so. Agree about Bradbury.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

I want the money spent on positions of huge need, not DE.

We also need someone to come in and develop behind Diggs and Hollins. These two are old men.

DE is not a huge need?
Have you watched the multiple games where QBs have an eternity in the pocket as our DEs get stood up? We desperately need an edge player who can rush the passer.

 

[dliverey44]

Rebuilding teams don't usually make this deal with a player of Browns caliber, a decent starting offensive lineman. A guy like that usually would politely decline and take a higher offer sheet in RFA.

This a deal that contenders make with a player that wants to be there. Thats a big deal.

I imagine that after last year that players will want to see this rebuild out. I would think that backup types that were here last year will want to stay if given the chance

 

[upstater1]

DE is not a huge need?
Have you watched the multiple games where QBs have an eternity in the pocket as our DEs get stood up? We desperately need an edge player who can rush the passer.

Ha, good catch. I meant not C. I was thinking of DE being the biggest need

 

[n1997y]

Rebuilding teams don't usually make this deal with a player of Browns caliber, a decent starting offensive lineman. A guy like that usually would politely decline and take a higher offer sheet in RFA.

This a deal that contenders make with a player that wants to be there. Thats a big deal.

Agree, he is at least a borderline starter and high quality backup, with versatility to play OG and C.

That is a sweetheart deal for the team, seems he may have taken a hometown discount and clearly did not do anything to test the market which itself is likely leaving money on the table.

It says a lot about how he wants to be here. Tangible compliment for the organization culture and locker room.

This is good news. At the very least hes a quality backup

At the very least. He’s been a serviceable starter when needed. Quite possibly he could compete for that role on some other teams, but they wouldn’t be as attractive environments. Being the big frog in a small pond isn’t what everyone wants. Glad he was extended without drama.

 

[DaBruinz]

DE is not a huge need?
Have you watched the multiple games where QBs have an eternity in the pocket as our DEs get stood up? We desperately need an edge player who can rush the passer.

Make sure you're both talking the same terminology.

A DE in Vrabel's defense is someone like Barmore. It's not Landry/Chaisson. They're Edge players.
The other issue that there isn't a lot of Free Agent talent at EDGE that would be an upgrade over what the team already has. The team is going to have to draft someone in the first or second round if they want someone for an immediate impact.

The team REALLY like Ponder and he's been getting more and more snaps. It remains to be seen if he'll develop into a Starter or if he'll just be a reserve guy. Same with Swinson.

I mentioned over in the draft thread that the Pats needed either an Edge guy or a LB in the 1st round. They should be able to get one or the other in the between the mid 20s and the end of the round.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Make sure you're both talking the same terminology.

A DE in Vrabel's defense is someone like Barmore. It's not Landry/Chaisson. They're Edge players.
The other issue that there isn't a lot of Free Agent talent at EDGE that would be an upgrade over what the team already has. The team is going to have to draft someone in the first or second round if they want someone for an immediate impact.

The team REALLY like Ponder and he's been getting more and more snaps. It remains to be seen if he'll develop into a Starter or if he'll just be a reserve guy. Same with Swinson.

I mentioned over in the draft thread that the Pats needed either an Edge guy or a LB in the 1st round. They should be able to get one or the other in the between the mid 20s and the end of the round.

Call it an edge, call it a DE, call it an outside LBer. We need outside rush badly.
And yes I would absolutely spend our first rd pick there, even if a trade up was necessary.

 

[Gumby]

Pretty young? He's 30, will be 31 when next season starts.
Its pretty much time to move on from him actually.

I like keeping him as a backup and either getting L (sp?) from ratbirds in FA or moving Wilson to C and getting a good LG from ?draft/FA?

Bradbury just doesn’t have the push (seen in lack of short yardage run / qb sneaks) that you need.
But he is (IMO) a good line-blocking caller/teammate/vet presence. And you would know he could step right in if Wilson got hurt.

 

[DaBruinz]

The Pats have $50 million in cap space left this year (which can be rolled over) plus $51 million next year. They already have the most cap space next year. They can sign Linderbaum and still sign an elite WR if one becomes available in trade. Money isn't an issue.

The Pats need to upgrade the o-line. They need to get a consistent running game going. I would argue center is a position of huge need.

The 2026 projected salary cap is 295.5M. The Pats are already at 280M in spending with 49 players under contract. I'm fairly certain that the 47M cap space listed on OTC INCLUDES the Pats carry-over adjusted for Bonuses earned already.

Furthermore, The Titans, Raiders and Chargers already have over $100M in cap space. If you do the math (dead money + active spending) and subtract that from 295.5M, you can see that the numbers only make sense if the Carry-over has been added.

For Example:
Patriots have 20.79M in dead cap + 279.9M in spending = 300.69M . That would put them over by 5.19M.. Yet, OTC says that the Pats have 47.99M in cap space. Only way to get to that is from including the carry-over already.

Having 47M in cap space is still a very good position to be in when you have 49 players already under contract.

That being said, I agree that Center is a very big need for an upgrade. That's why I am pushing for a Connor McGovern signing. He won't cost as much as Linderbaum and has position flexibility.

 

[Gumby]

Bradbury is 28 i believe. You're correct relatively young. We need more push up the middle in the run game.. I believe Wilson provides that.

Is it REALLY THAT HARD to open up a second tab and go to Patriots.com team page before posting erroneous BS?

He is 30

 

[mgteich]

Make sure you're both talking the same terminology.

A DE in Vrabel's defense is someone like Barmore. It's not Landry/Chaisson. They're Edge players.
The other issue that there isn't a lot of Free Agent talent at EDGE that would be an upgrade over what the team already has. The team is going to have to draft someone in the first or second round if they want someone for an immediate impact.

The team REALLY like Ponder and he's been getting more and more snaps. It remains to be seen if he'll develop into a Starter or if he'll just be a reserve guy. Same with Swinson.

I mentioned over in the draft thread that the Pats needed either an Edge guy or a LB in the 1st round. They should be able to get one or the other in the between the mid 20s and the end of the round.

re-sign Chaisson and draft in EDGE early should work very well.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Garrett Bradbury is pretty young. Im not sure they move on from him.

Bradbury is 31 next year. I don't consider that pretty young.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I am still dreaming of the Pats signing Tyler Linderbaum in the offseason.

I am dreaming that too. Release Onwenu to make up most of the salary cap charge. Draft a RG in R1 or R2.