We gotta pay Tonga

[Hugepatsfan]

Please give a comparable contract for a LT that has acknowledged that he is a career backup and well understands that he is NOT starter quality.

Some players should try to maximize their carrers by understanding their abilities and possibilities.

Extending Tonga will solidify the line through 2027, including starters and backups.

To me, that is worth a lot.


SIGNED THROUGH
2028 Barmore
2028 Milton
2028 Tonga (after 3-year extension)
2028 Farmer
2027 Gregory (2028 RFA)
2026 Durden (2027 ERFA)

I can give you a million backup OT contracts. Let's not lose sight of how this discussion was framed. You suggested he sign a 3 year deal at backup money. I pointed how such contract doesn't really exist in the NFL. Teams don't typically give players who are not start quality at that position 3 years. Even 2 years is really rare unless it's a backup someone is banking on becoming a starter. And when you sign 1 or even 2 year deals, you constantly find yourself on the FA market. And if you didn't play during that last contract, it's harder and harder to market yourself as playable depth without tape of you actually playing to sell teams on. So if you're going the short term contract route as a backup you usually want to go somewhere that you have a shot of playing time at because that's how you'll be able to market yourself as playable depth on the next deal.

Again, you're suggesting something that's unconventional with seemingly no precedent in the league right now. How much are you willing to commit on a 3 year term to a backup OT that's enough security where it doesn't make sense for him to go year to year?

 

[RobertWeathers]

agreed, 3 and 30 type of deal

Tonga 3/30? People are way overestimating his market value.

 

[TheRainMaker]

So, you expect that another team will give Chaisson a better deal than we will.

I don't know why this would be the case. Vrabel broke the bank last year, and this year we have many fewer holes to fill that require a top-level contract.

I don't think the Pats should overpay. Both Chaisson and Landry are replaceable.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Tonga 3/30? People are way overestimating his market value.

3/18 makes sense to me.

 

[dliverey44]

I also want all those who said Tonga was a worthless signing to man up and admit they were wrong.
There were plenty on this site who said he was a 3rd string type of guy, and won't play much.
We're quickly looking like the old Pats who made mid type of players look like stars. I hope we don't lose Tonga.
Although - Farmer is also a backup DT who has looked pretty good in moments. Not that he's as large as Tonga.

I didn't think he was a worthless signing, but I never imagined he would be as disruptive as he is. I knew he played some FB in college but did not think he would ever see snaps in that role.

 

[RobertWeathers]

3/18 makes sense to me.

Still too high IMO. He'll be 30 next July. $3-4m AAV would be the most hes made in his life.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Looking at last year's FA signings, $5-7M per year seems to be the range IMO. Some guys who are probably comparable to how Tonga has played this year but with longer track record were getting up to $11M/year. This is the first year Tonga has actually been a decidedly positive player. Prior to this season he's just been a guy who takes up some snap count to get you by, not actually a real positive contributor.

 

[Real fan 02]

You disagree with Vrabel, as is often the case.

Vrabel chose to keep Lowe on the roster as our backup LT and 6th OL. He is always active.

If he agreed with you, Vrabel would have replaced Lowe or at very least have him inactive and had Bryant as the swing OT, beacking up both OT's.

Vrabel has added lots of backups. He has chosen to keep an acceptable, experienced backup. Lowe is likely to be here next year, again competing for the backup LT roster spot. We should draft a RT unless Vrabel thinks that Bryant is a viable future starter.

We need a backup long snapper is why lowe is still here..

 

[Real fan 02]

I wouldn't sign anything if I were Chaisson. I'd bet on myself to break the 10 sack mark and cash out in FA. I think he'll be gone like Mark Anderson was after 2011.

I wouldn't be so sure he's gone... KC is a team leader here and wanted to come here specifically because of Vrabel..
We also have to take into account that this current patriots front office isn't like the previous.. Vrabel will offer KC a competitive offer and like any other player it will ultimately be his decision to remain.. he should break the 10 sack mark.. this season.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I wouldn't be so sure he's gone... KC is a team leader here and wanted to come here specifically because of Vrabel..
We also have to take into account that this current patriots front office isn't like the previous.. Vrabel will offer KC a competitive offer and like any other player it will ultimately be his decision to remain.. he should break the 10 sack mark.. this season.

After the last several weeks, it’s clear Edge is a major need for the Pats. If there are better players available, I’d let him walk.

 

[p8ryts]

After the last several weeks, it’s clear Edge is a major need for the Pats. If there are better players available, I’d let him walk.

Landry looked like he was running in cement. Chiasson is better than what we had, but he is not irreplaceable.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

After the last several weeks, it’s clear Edge is a major need for the Pats. If there are better players available, I’d let him walk.

Their need at edge is two-fold though... they need better talent atop the depth chart and they need more depth. Maybe Swinson develops and Ponder has had some coverage sacks the last few weeks but hard to really call them good depth. Jennings might be a fine rotation edge but in pass rush specifically he brings nothing.

So even if they upgrade Chaisson with a new starter, they should still be interested in retaining him as the depth guy. Basically a run/pass down platoon with Landry and spelling whoever the "upgrade" is at the other starting spot.

Obviously final money matters but we have tons of cap space and limited real roster holes besides EDGE so they can afford to spend here.

 

[Toofy]

Landry looked like he was running in cement. Chiasson is better than what we had, but he is not irreplaceable.

The touchdown that fields ran, landry did have decent time and space but he lumbered along like a nose tackle.

He doesn't seem fast or. Agile to me. No wonder his sacks and pressures have nosedived. I think landry next year is like Kyle dugger . We might trade him for bag of peanuts . No high expectations unless he is injured now and will prolly get better in off-season.

I would just rest him up now till the bye week .

 

[Real fan 02]

After the last several weeks, it’s clear Edge is a major need for the Pats. If there are better players available, I’d let him walk.

Landry looks like he laboring...

After the last several weeks, it’s clear Edge is a major need for the Pats. If there are better players available, I’d let him walk.

Boye Mafi & Quay walker.. are probably logical options to add at edge. For FA.. Chaisson will stay.. @ 3 yr 24M is what I say he gets...

 

[Real fan 02]

The touchdown that fields ran, landry did have decent time and space but he lumbered along like a nose tackle.

He doesn't seem fast or. Agile to me. No wonder his sacks and pressures have nosedived. I think landry next year is like Kyle dugger . We might trade him for bag of peanuts . No high expectations unless he is injured now and will prolly get better in off-season.

I would just rest him up now till the bye week .

He's playing hurt.. it's been clear.. his explosion has been Hampered by whatever he's playing through and it's showed.. especially last night..

 

[Real fan 02]

Their need at edge is two-fold though... they need better talent atop the depth chart and they need more depth. Maybe Swinson develops and Ponder has had some coverage sacks the last few weeks but hard to really call them good depth. Jennings might be a fine rotation edge but in pass rush specifically he brings nothing.

So even if they upgrade Chaisson with a new starter, they should still be interested in retaining him as the depth guy. Basically a run/pass down platoon with Landry and spelling whoever the "upgrade" is at the other starting spot.

Obviously final money matters but we have tons of cap space and limited real roster holes besides EDGE so they can afford to spend here.

Boye Mafi and Quay walker are options in FA.. both young and explosive.. especially mafi.. at Edge.

 

[Toofy]

Chaissson is gonna command 13-16 million a year . Nick bonnitto is at 11 sacks and 27 million a year.

No way we can get chaisson for under 10 million unless you sign him now. I don't think we will sign chaisson . He might be too expensive for us.

 

[signbabybrady]

He's playing hurt.. it's been clear.. his explosion has been Hampered by whatever he's playing through and it's showed.. especially last night..

Ankle

 

[Real fan 02]

Chaissson is gonna command 13-16 million a year . Nick bonnitto is at 11 sacks and 27 million a year.

No way we can get chaisson for under 10 million unless you sign him now. I don't think we will sign chaisson . He might be too expensive for us.

10 million is.. bare minimum for a double digit sacks edge.. KC is can say with certainty with be such.