X's & O's The Patriots and the Erhardt-Perkins Offense

[upstater1]

I think that, given the Patriots' infamous history with drafting and developing receivers, it is certainly worth questioning what role the choice of the EP system played in it. I know at least some players couldn't pick it up (e.g., Ochocinco).

The curious thing is that some players picked it up, others didn't. So for every Chad Jackson who couldn't pick it up, we had a Malcolm Mitchell. For every Aaron Dobson, we had a David Givens. Deion Branch. Edelman. And we brought in FAs who picked it up, like Welker, Amendola, Hogan, Brandon Lloyd, Cooks, Moss, etc. But Galloway, Ochocinco and Sanu couldn't. N'Keal Harry and Tyquan Thornton NO. Jakobi Meyers, Demario Douglas and Kayshon Boutte YES.

 

[TommyD4207]

You have to think McDaniels modified that Brady Jedi mind trick Offense some. Because Brady could lead you up and down the football field with lengthy prolonged drives. This one with Drake Maye is hitting you with Big Chunk plays plus Maye has wheels...I don't mind having an RPO QB it's an advantage.

The big chunk plays have always been in there to some degree. It's the **** Grogan used to run.

 

[PatsFan2]

The big chunk plays have always been in there to some degree. It's the **** Grogan used to run.

Grogan years you old Goat Tommy.

 

[TommyD4207]

Grogan years you old Goat Tommy.

Turn 50 manana.

 

[PatsFan2]

Turn 50 manana.

Got 5 on you I feel it in my bones.

 

[signbabybrady]

The dreaded draws on 3rd down. Many OC's do this around the league, but the most famous OC that took a lot of **** for this was Jason Garrett in Dallas.

I wouldn't be too quick to assume it's gone.

I think some of Henderson's struggles with blitz pick up might have limited some of those calls, as ideally you want Henderson instead of Rham for the draw but we weren't totally comfortable putting Henderson out for 3rd down due to blitz pick up.

I think with Rham out Henderson has taken full advantage of his time and the playbook will undoubtedly start to expand for him.

 

[gobesmug]

The curious thing is that some players picked it up, others didn't. So for every Chad Jackson who couldn't pick it up, we had a Malcolm Mitchell. For every Aaron Dobson, we had a David Givens. Deion Branch. Edelman. And we brought in FAs who picked it up, like Welker, Amendola, Hogan, Brandon Lloyd, Cooks, Moss, etc. But Galloway, Ochocinco and Sanu couldn't. N'Keal Harry and Tyquan Thornton NO. Jakobi Meyers, Demario Douglas and Kayshon Boutte YES.

So basically what you are saying, is that if you were a good wr not past your prime you could learn the system.

 

[upstater1]

More than anything else the thing that pisses me off about Spygate is how it wasn't even about stealing signals, it was about where our cameraman was. It took me years to learn that because the sports media is so corrupt and Pats-hating. And non-Patriots fans? Forget about it, they have no clue.

It was really about too much winning. When the Jets cameraman did the same thing to the Patriots, the league response was, "Who cares?"

In have absolutely NO information on this and it's all conjecture BUT I believe this is how it went:

1. 2006: league sends out badly worded memo.
2. 2006: Belichick decides the team will stop doing it because it's time consuming and is simply meant to force teams to change signals against them. Kind of a useless PITA practice.
3. 2006 season: Jets film Patriots from the sideline.
4. 2006: Patriots report the Jets to the NFL for a practice they believed was illegal.
5. 2006: NFL says what the Jets did was fine.
6. 2006 or 2007: Patriots read the memo and reinterpret it given the NFL is indifferent to filming from the sideline. They think the memo must mean you can't use the info during the game you film it, which is why the Jets got away with it.
7. 2007 opening game: Mangini remembers that Belichick was a twerp for ratting him out to the NFL so the Jets are prepared to return the favor if they see someone filming (Can't really blame Mangini for this).
8. 2007: When the league realizes it's the 3x SB champs doing it and not the Jete, other owners realize this is the opportunity to pounce and kill Darth Belichick and perhaps throw him out of football.
9. 2007: Goodell is simply the mouthpiece; when Bob Costas challenges him and says, "You can film the sideline from practially anywhere even the stands. Is this just a technicality?" Goodell responds that he doesn't believe Belichick, he calls him a liar, and that's why he's being punished.

I have no proof that #2 and #6 happen, all the other stuff did happen, but #2 and #6 are my conjecture.

 

[signbabybrady]

Offensive systems aren't static. The way we ran it with Brady was very complex. We've scene situations this year where Maye and the receiver both had different reads on what they should do when faced with a situation (one happened last week). But you absolutely can simplify the system.

Both us and the Bills use the EP. I doubt most would say we have the same offense though.

You have to think McDaniels modified that Brady Jedi mind trick Offense some. Because Brady could lead you up and down the football field with lengthy prolonged drives. This one with Drake Maye is hitting you with Big Chunk plays plus Maye has wheels...I don't mind having an RPO QB it's an advantage.

Patriots QB Drake Maye: Following Tom Brady legacy ‘a blessing, not a burden’

"My thought is to just embrace it. Be who I am and don’t be anything different" - Drake Maye

www.masslive.com

The kid just gets it everytime he speaks I like him more and more.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I wouldn't be too quick to assume it's gone.

I think some of Henderson's struggles with blitz pick up might have limited some of those calls, as ideally you want Henderson instead of Rham for the draw but we weren't totally comfortable putting Henderson out for 3rd down due to blitz pick up.

I think with Rham out Henderson has taken full advantage of his time and the playbook will undoubtedly start to expand for him.

Henderson had a couple of very good blitz pickups yesterday. Not as consistent as Rhamondre, but definitely nowhere near the cliff that I feared it might be.

 

[ViperGTS]

I think it has to do with not being well ahead of the opponent as in the Brady years. You know if we're up 13, you'll see it again.

See, I don't. However, anything is possible.

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

It was really about too much winning. When the Jets cameraman did the same thing to the Patriots, the league response was, "Who cares?"

In have absolutely NO information on this and it's all conjecture BUT I believe this is how it went:

1. 2006: league sends out badly worded memo.
2. 2006: Belichick decides the team will stop doing it because it's time consuming and is simply meant to force teams to change signals against them. Kind of a useless PITA practice.
3. 2006 season: Jets film Patriots from the sideline.
4. 2006: Patriots report the Jets to the NFL for a practice they believed was illegal.
5. 2006: NFL says what the Jets did was fine.
6. 2006 or 2007: Patriots read the memo and reinterpret it given the NFL is indifferent to filming from the sideline. They think the memo must mean you can't use the info during the game you film it, which is why the Jets got away with it.
7. 2007 opening game: Mangini remembers that Belichick was a twerp for ratting him out to the NFL so the Jets are prepared to return the favor if they see someone filming (Can't really blame Mangini for this).
8. 2007: When the league realizes it's the 3x SB champs doing it and not the Jete, other owners realize this is the opportunity to pounce and kill Darth Belichick and perhaps throw him out of football.
9. 2007: Goodell is simply the mouthpiece; when Bob Costas challenges him and says, "You can film the sideline from practially anywhere even the stands. Is this just a technicality?" Goodell responds that he doesn't believe Belichick, he calls him a liar, and that's why he's being punished.

I have no proof that #2 and #6 happen, all the other stuff did happen, but #2 and #6 are my conjecture.

Wait, the Jest recorded us from the sideline and then we reported them? I never heard that before. Do you have a source? (Not doubting you but I'd love to have that in my back pocket for when someone calls us cheaters.)

 

[Pape]

Was doing some googling and stumbled upon this. It's a good read about the Erhardt-Perkins system which obviously was a staple of our offense for 24 years followed by one year off and now looks like it will be here for a very long time to come.

Remember when everyone said it was too complicated and that we had to get rid of it because it was too hard for the modern day kids. Such short sighted logic. And thank God wisdom prevailed and we brought it back with Josh!

Opposing defenses will struggle for at least another decade trying to keep up with the amoeba offense.

Try like 50 years...

 

[Pape]

Wait, the Jest recorded us from the sideline and then we reported them? I never heard that before. Do you have a source? (Not doubting you but I'd love to have that in my back pocket for when someone calls us cheaters.)

They did, and it got swept up under the rug like all things not Patriots

 

[imahobgoblin]

You have to think McDaniels modified that Brady Jedi mind trick Offense some. Because Brady could lead you up and down the football field with lengthy prolonged drives. This one with Drake Maye is hitting you with Big Chunk plays plus Maye has wheels...I don't mind having an RPO QB it's an advantage.

You have absolute no clue what you are talking about as usual. The difference is the QB and not the system. Every dink dunk to intermediate pass is available to Drake. In fact, one of the criticisms is that he needs to take them and check downs more. Drake at this stage in his career can hit the long ball much better than Brady could at the same point, and Brady could slice up a defense with dink dunk way better than Drake at this point. They are just very different players. The system is not very different.

 

[imahobgoblin]

The big chunk plays have always been in there to some degree. It's the **** Grogan used to run.

Exactly correct. It just depends on the QB and what he takes.

 

[imahobgoblin]

So basically what you are saying, is that if you were a good wr not past your prime you could learn the system.

Diggs addressed this at the beginning of the season. Football is football. Some vets are just to lazy to change their habits and learn something different. If Diggs is this good this year, wait until he is 100% healthy and knows the system like second nature. He has a few more years of great production ahead.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Turn 50 manana.

Wait til you get a Medicare card, look at it and think, " I was just 18, what happened?"

 

[TommyD4207]

Wait til you get a Medicare card, look at it and think, " I was just 18, what happened?"

I got my AARP card last week.

 

[upstater1]

Wait, the Jest recorded us from the sideline and then we reported them? I never heard that before. Do you have a source? (Not doubting you but I'd love to have that in my back pocket for when someone calls us cheaters.)

Jets videotaped Patriots last season in Foxborough

The Jets were caught videotaping at Gillette Stadium last season and the Pats had that employee removed from the area, according to published reports. Jets coach Eric Mangini said his team received permission to film behind both end zones during the game.

www.espn.com