A question on my mind virtually every day [Would BB draft Maye]

[upstater1]

That is true and it's likely BB would believe JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix has a much better chance of being a franchise QB than Maye does and that's one reason why he would draft one of them.

BB only had two picks in the top third of the draft that I recall - Seymour (6) and Mayo (10). Warren was 13 and I thought that was a trade down then a trade back up. Mayo was a trade up. I agree with the last part that he often traded down when he had picks in the latter part of round 1.

Yet in his assessment he saw a lot of flaws with those 2 QBs. The one he really liked was Daniels.

He actually said that Maye is the protoype of what you want for an NFL QB: big, fast, mobile, strong accurate arm.

Then said his footwork needs a lot of help, and that he tends to lock onto primary reads without coming off him. Drake at the time was 21 years old. Daniels had 3 or 4 years on him.

I see this as very normal talk, not as a dismissal of Maye at all. And like I said, I do not disagree that Belichick would have wanted a QB who was ready to go as he was getting pretty old in 2023. That could have been Daniels. It could have been Mayfield, and then you develop a guy like Maye if Daniels is off the board.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Right, but the Callahan story came out before the 3rd year. In other words, any interest in Mayfield would've come in the 2023 offseason, not the 2024 offseason.

The question that was posed was what Belichick would have done had he not been fired for the 24' season. Mayfield's contract with the Bucs had run out, and Belichick loved Mayfield. He would have tried to sign him if possible, or he would have traded down hoping to take a QB later than 3. The one thing he absolutely would not have done is draft Drake Maye, who he dissed the minute the pick was made. I realize that the Cult of Belichick would like to rewrite history and make believe that Belichick would have taken Maye, because they think that would have made Belichick look better in retrospect, but he made it clear he wasn't a fan of Maye, and he never would have drafted him,

 

[Huckleberry1]

Yet in his assessment he saw a lot of flaws with those 2 QBs. The one he really liked was Daniels.

He actually said that Maye is the protoype of what you want for an NFL QB: big, fast, mobile, strong accurate arm.

Then said his footwork needs a lot of help, and that he tends to lock onto primary reads without coming off him. Drake at the time was 21 years old. Daniels had 3 or 4 years on him.

I see this as very normal talk, not as a dismissal of Maye at all. And like I said, I do not disagree that Belichick would have wanted a QB who was ready to go as he was getting pretty old in 2023. That could have been Daniels. It could have been Mayfield, and then you develop a guy like Maye if Daniels is off the board.

He said " he ( Drake Maye) thinks he's Josh Allen, but he's no Josh Allen." And all the make believe in the world will never change the fact that he didn't like the pick, and never would have drafted him.

 

[upstater1]

The question that was posed was what Belichick would have done had he not been fired for the 24' season. Mayfield's contract with the Bucs had run out, and Belichick loved Mayfield. He would have tried to sign him if possible, or he would have traded down hoping to take a QB later than 3. The one thing he absolutely would not have done is draft Drake Maye, who he dissed the minute the pick was made. I realize that the Cult of Belichick would like to rewrite history and make believe that Belichick would have taken Maye, because they think that would have made Belichick look better in retrospect, but he made it clear he wasn't a fan of Maye, and he never would have drafted him,

We just disagree. I've explained why. It's funny, you can call this disagreement a result of my being in a cult, and I can call it a result of your axe to grind. But -- in point of fact, I made a comment about Belichick's comments on Maye on the very night they were made, so there is no retrospect as you say. In fact, this is what I had to say in May of 2024 in response to some of our fans: So far, Belichick has been spot on in his assessments made prior to the year.

"Patriots fan on this board: "If Maye is not prepared and ready to play already, then they blew the #3 pick overall."

Belichick's assessments are spot on:

1. In college, Caleb Williams has not shown he can play within a structured offense, or an ability to keep the offense on schedule, and his size concerns may preclude that, as spectacular as his abilities are.

2. Daniels reads defenses well, has a live arm, is accurate, one of the most ready and talented young QBs to come through the draft in a decade.

3. Maye is a big strong kid who has a great arm and can move well, but has not played enough to show he can read and dissect defenses. Needs seasoning but the tools are there. Very talented, just not ready right now.

Why is it a blown pick? Because the kid is not ready?

Nix is ready. Should they have taken him?"

Also, there was a discussion in this thread about Belichick trying to sign Mayfield. That's what I was responding to. Not the hypothetical, but the factual interest in Mayfield.

 

[thisguy]

He may have been the greatest nfl coach but hes just as you describe him.

His judgement absolutely can be brought into question. This is the guy who traded back from Linda Holliday to draft a 23 year old floozy trash can.

 

[upstater1]

He said " he ( Drake Maye) thinks he's Josh Allen, but he's no Josh Allen." And all the make believe in the world will never change the fact that he didn't like the pick, and never would have drafted him.

Uh, no. Don't quote a guy for saying something he didn't say.

He did not say "He's no Josh Allen."

First, he didn't say Drake Maye thinks he's Josh Allen. He said that Drake has compared himself to Josh Allen. But then he didn't say Drake is NO JOSH ALLEN. He actually said, "We'll see. There are actually some similarities [between Allen and Maye] in terms of size, speed and throwing, but that Josh Allen is pretty special so..." [McAfee interupts him]. Belichick actually had said that Josh Allen, Mahomes, Brady, etc., developed over time, so it's NOT that Daniels and Maye would never be as good, he thought they would need time to develop. He pointedly said that he believed Maye could get there. But he said that about Daniels as well.

"Maye is a very talented kid, good size, runs well, has a great arm. He hasn't played very much, doesn't have a lot of experience [Maye didn't redshirt, he was 21 years old]. Maye makes big plays, this is an amazing throw, puts the ball right on the money. Those are highlight plays I really like from Maye. This clip he doesn't really finish the play. He has guys open in the middle but he throws it downfield into double coverage. He's going to need some work in reading defenses, reading coverages. Hes kind of quick to bail out of the pocket. in the NFL, he's going to have to hang in the pocket a little bit longer. This clip is a really good throw from Maye. On an end cut, he really drives the ball and shows you his arm. That's a nice play. This is a kid that can make all the throws. He just needs to be more consistent. In this clip, he abandons the pocket again too quickly. Just stay in the pocket. Transitioning from a college QB to a Pro QB, he just needs some time and experience."

How in the world do these words get twisted around into "You're not Josh Allen," as though it's a complete dismissal of Maye, this is what I mean by having an axe to grind.

Belichick accurately assessed Maye here. Great abilities, big, can run well, great arm, drives the ball, makes amazing throws. Doesn't see the open guys underneath, bails on the pocket way too quickly. Needs to step up in the pocket more.

Not to mention the fact that they were showing Belichick clips that he was responding to.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Uh, no. Don't quote a guy for saying something he didn't say.

He did not say "He's no Josh Allen."

First, he didn't say Drake Maye thinks he's Josh Allen. He said that Drake has compared himself in style of play to Josh Allen. But then he didn't say Drake is NO JOSH ALLEN. He actually said, "We'll see. There are actually some similarities [between Allen and Maye] in terms of size, speed and throwing, but that Josh Allen is pretty special so..." [McAfee interupts him]. Belichick actually had said that Josh Allen, Mahomes, Brady, etc., developed over time, so it's NOT that Daniels and Maye would never be as good, he thought they would need time to develop. He pointedly said that he believed Maye could get there. But he said that about Daniels as well.

"Maye is a very talented kid, good size, runs well, has a great arm. He hasn't played very much, doesn't have a lot of experience [Maye didn't redshirt, he was 21 years old]. Maye makes big plays, this is an amazing throw, puts the ball right on the money. Those are highlight plays I really like from Maye. This clip he doesn't really finish the play. He has guys open in the middle but he throws it downfield into double coverage. He's going to need some work in reading defenses, reading coverages. Hes kind of quick to bail out of the pocket. in the NFL, he's going to have to hang in the pocket a little bit longer. This clip is a really good throw from Maye. On an end cut, he really drives the ball and shows you his arm. That's a nice play. This is a kid that can make all the throws. He just needs to be more consistent. In this clip, he abandons the pocket again too quickly. Just stay in the pocket. Transitioning from a college QB to a Pro QB, he just needs some time and experience."

How in the world do these words get twisted around into "You're not Josh Allen," as though it's a complete dismissal of Maye, this is what I mean by having an axe to grind.

Belichick accurately assessed Maye here. Great abilities, big, can run well, great arm, drives the ball, makes amazing throws. Doesn't see the open guys underneath, bails on the pocket way too quickly. Needs to step up in the pocket more.

Not to mention the fact that they were showing Belichick clips that he was responding to.

He absolutely said that, I watched say it. Bottom line, Belichick never would have drafted Maye, and all the make believe ******** in the world won't change it.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'm 100% done with the Cult of Belichick. The make believe revisionist history is enough to make me throw up.

 

[upstater1]

He absolutely said that, I watched say it. Bottom line, Belichick never would have drafted Maye, and all the make believe ******** in the world won't change it.

He didn't say it. I just watched the whole thing and transcribed it word for word.

Read what I wrote, that's exactly what he said.

I'm trying not to draw too much judgment about what you're doing. But at the very least, acknowledge the words the man said.

You have a serious axe to grind here.

 

[upstater1]

I'm 100% done with the Cult of Belichick. The make believe revisionist history is enough to make me throw up.

And you're the biggest revisionist here by making claims he absolutely did not say. You might want to ask yourself how it is you've come to believe he said these things. I mean, what's happening with your memory here. Are you so against Belichick that you're adding in things he didn't say?

 

[Betterthanmost]

I love BB but I dread what he will have done with the Drake pick. I can say the Krafts made the right call. BB became toxic and there was no path to correct.

 

[sb1]

3:25

Here it is. This is what Bill said at the draft: “Drake compares himself a lot to Josh Allen, he’s been doing that for quite a while. We’ll see about that. I think there are some similarities like size and athleticism but Josh is a special player”. Maybe he did say “he’s no Josh Allen” but it wasn’t in this clip.

Then goes on to say in a lot of words that he is raw. Nothing we didn’t know already. Nor did he say anything that suggests he was in love with the guy and would have picked him at 3. Not like some of the other guys like JJM.

He absolutely would not have picked Drake. No way.

 

[vicspats]

You guys are dupes for the horsepucky coming out of the Boston media. It's like you didnt know what you were watching for 20 years.

I tend to agree ..

 

[vicspats]

How did he do with Brady?

There was no Josh.

He recuperated Vinny Testaverde's career in Cleveland.

Let's not judge Belichick by whatever the hell happened with Mac "Crybaby" Jones.

I’ll be honest .. for a few seconds I was ashamed to be a Pats fan when Mac skipped on stage after being drafted. Something off with his “gitty up”…

 

[Huckleberry1]

Yeah I literally went from nearly worshipping the dude to “I detest that guy” in 3 years.

Now he’s just a joke.

I defended Belichick for years and years, the Cult of Belichick changed that for good.

 

[sb1]

I defended Belichick for years and years, the Cult of Belichick changed that for good.

They’re ridiculous. Now you know why I kept going back and forth arguing with one of them.

 

[raduray]

... I still do not think he should have been fired, but that is beyond my control. He was, its water under the bridge.

With that said, BB had lost his fast ball by then. He was not making decisions that were for the betterment of the team. Instead the decisions were expedient for Bill, allowing him to retain his shrinking cadre of people he trusted in positions of power. Small hiring circle, smaller staff.

How do you reconcile these two paragraphs? How would you not want him fired after stating your observations in the second paragraph?

 

[Pape]

How do you reconcile these two paragraphs? How would you not want him fired after stating your observations in the second paragraph?

its easy to reconcile, as this was written years after the events transpired with the benefit of hindsight.

at the time, when you are in the middle of "it" you may not have the clarity that you possess after the events have concluded and you have had time to think on things.

 

[raduray]

its easy to reconcile, as this was written years after the events transpired with the benefit of hindsight.

at the time, when you are in the middle of "it" you may not have the clarity that you possess after the events have concluded and you have had time to think on things.

Yet you write: "I still do not think he should have been fired". Present tense.

 

[Pape]

Yet you write: "I still do not think he should have been fired". Present tense.

at the time. no. and now, no.

i think he should have been given the opportunity to fix what he broke,

one more year of bad belichick > jerod mayo.

He was fired though. So what i think about the Pats keeping him is moot.