A question on my mind virtually every day [Would BB draft Maye]

[scott99]

BB is a major reason the Pats had a dynasty, his horrible drafting his last 10 seasons as Patriot’s GM is a major reason the dynasty died. Both can be true.

 

[p8ryts]

I'm not putting this in the "arrived" thread b/c it's more of a history thing.

When BB was on the 2024 NFL draft coverage and basically dissing Drake Maye, why was he doing it? Was it because h it e really didn't think highly of Maye, or was he just p*ssing in Kraft's Wheaties? If they had drafted, say, McCarthy, would he have been as negative?

Let me end with a thought experiment: let's assume that somehow BB had actually gotten one last chance in 2024. What do you think he would've done at QB, especially given the trade offers we know were offered?

Give it a rest. He didn't "diss" him. He gave him the same evaluation Pats fans were giving him last year and early this year.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Bill for years was the best coach in the NFL. That was built upon “do your job, put the team first, what players have done in the past doesn’t matter”.

Then, he wanted to coast at the end, live by different rules than he held players accountable to for literal decades, refused to coach players he “didn’t like”, and surrounded himself with mediocre coaches because he “trusted them”.

Dude got old, old successful men often get arrogant, complacent, and entitled.

In 2023 Kraft wanted to win, Bill wanted a golden exit regardless of how inept the team looked.

It was time.

Bill feels somehow wronged by that.


He also went full on weirdo creep in his personal life.

Whatever.

It’s over.

Vrabes is the right guy now.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Give it a rest. He didn't "diss" him. He gave him the same evaluation Pats fans were giving him last year and early this year.

If we are talking about his tape breakdown of Maye with McAfee, it was incredibly fair. I didn't see any dissing.

 

[pats99]

I'm not putting this in the "arrived" thread b/c it's more of a history thing.

When BB was on the 2024 NFL draft coverage and basically dissing Drake Maye, why was he doing it? Was it because he really didn't think highly of Maye, or was he just p*ssing in Kraft's Wheaties? If they had drafted, say, McCarthy, would he have been as negative?

Let me end with a thought experiment: let's assume that somehow BB had actually gotten one last chance in 2024. What do you think he would've done at QB, especially given the trade offers we know were offered?

Before the draft there were several concerns, footwork all over the place, missed reads, accuracy issues, so don't just blame Bill, He is just a completely different player now than when he came out of college.

 

[VrabelJr]

I’ll take “Uninteresting hypotheticals” for $500, Alex.

 

[MrTibbs]

I'm not putting this in the "arrived" thread b/c it's more of a history thing.

When BB was on the 2024 NFL draft coverage and basically dissing Drake Maye, why was he doing it? Was it because he really didn't think highly of Maye, or was he just p*ssing in Kraft's Wheaties? If they had drafted, say, McCarthy, would he have been as negative?

Let me end with a thought experiment: let's assume that somehow BB had actually gotten one last chance in 2024. What do you think he would've done at QB, especially given the trade offers we know were offered?

Without a doubt he would of traded the pick. Trading back multiple times and grabbing some has been QB off the scrap heap. In the end it would of been a bunch of 2nd and 3rd round picks and late draft picks for the following draft. Nothing of note for a team that traded the #3 overall pick. Someone wrote maybe he would of drafted JJ McCarthy. I'd say Nix because of the experience factor if he did take a QB from that class.

 

[upstater1]

Bill for years was the best coach in the NFL. That was built upon “do your job, put the team first, what players have done in the past doesn’t matter”.

Then, he wanted to coast at the end, live by different rules than he held players accountable to for literal decades, refused to coach players he “didn’t like”, and surrounded himself with mediocre coaches because he “trusted them”.

Dude got old, old successful men often get arrogant, complacent, and entitled.

In 2023 Kraft wanted to win, Bill wanted a golden exit regardless of how inept the team looked.

It was time.

Bill feels somehow wronged by that.


He also went full on weirdo creep in his personal life.

Whatever.

It’s over.

Vrabes is the right guy now.

If you said the opposite of everything you said here, you'd be 100% right.

 

[upstater1]

Without a doubt he would of traded the pick. Trading back multiple times and grabbing some has been QB off the scrap heap. In the end it would of been a bunch of 2nd and 3rd round picks and late draft picks for the following draft. Nothing of note for a team that traded the #3 overall pick. Someone wrote maybe he would of drafted JJ McCarthy. I'd say Nix because of the experience factor if he did take a QB from that class.

When he picked at the top of the draft (3x) he never traded back. He always traded back when the values were more 2nd round than blue chip.

 

[Toofy]

Bill was great when he had Brady, McDaniels, scar and Ernie. Without them he couldn't do it by himself and everyone else were sycophants . And he lost it

I am glad we got Maye and Vrabel
Dynasty 3.0 here we come.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

If you said the opposite of everything you said here, you'd be 100% right.

Scintillatingly clever retort. Thx.

 

[Wozzy]

Calling Drake the most raw and inexperienced QB in the draft class was a point of fact, not a diss. He was the youngest and had the fewest starts under his belt. Bill also said Drake was a “freak athlete” and noted his potential to drive the ball with power and velocity.

The bottom line is anyone who attended camp last season saw that Drake was not ready to start week one. He had very little experience taking snaps under center, had no command of the huddle and had trouble snapping the ball without presnap penalties.

He has improved rapidly since he was drafted, but nothing Bill said about him was a diss. Bill was critical of all the draftees, I have no doubt Maye or trading back to take McCarthy was the pick for Bill. They were the only two system fits and QB was the #1 position of need for the Patriots according to Bill.

 

[Wozzy]

Bill was great when he had Brady, McDaniels, scar and Ernie. Without them he couldn't do it by himself and everyone else were sycophants . And he lost it

This is football, the ultimate team sport… nobody does it by themselves.

 

[gobesmug]

I love Bill. after the split, I supported Bill. I still do not think he should have been fired, but that is beyond my control. He was, its water under the bridge.

With that said, BB had lost his fast ball by then. He was not making decisions that were for the betterment of the team. Instead the decisions were expedient for Bill, allowing him to retain his shrinking cadre of people he trusted in positions of power. Small hiring circle, smaller staff.

The Matt Patricia as OC experiment should never have been allowed to happen. It absolutely hindered the development of Mac Jones as a quarterback. and I do not care what you think about Mac Jones - There is nothing negative about Mac Jones that you have thought that I haven't said here. With that said, Bill Belichick ruined his potential with his poor decisions.

I see no decision Bill made during that period that would give me confidence that he could responsibly develop a "raw" rookie quarterback like Drake Maye. The only good decision made during those years, even though it did not work out in the end) ? Jettisoning Patricia for Bill O'Brien - and even that was forced on him by Kraft....

The Bill Belichick who made those decisions was not the same Bill Belichick who built the foundation of a 20 year NFL Dynasty.

Interesting. I ask this not to change your mind. But if you recognized Bill was no longer the same coach why would you think he didnt deserve to be fired?

He obviously had the greatest run as a HC while here. But why commit to a guy who you yourself said was no longer making decisions in the best interest of the Patriots?

Isn't that the very reason why you fire someone?

 

[gobesmug]

This is football, the ultimate team sport… nobody does it by themselves.

Correct, Bill was the best from 2001 to 2018. He clearly regressed after that and needed to retire and should have retired.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

Bill was great but hasn't evolved with the game changing, mobile quarterbacks, the game trending more towards offense and the passing game and WRs becoming more value and expensive than ever before went again everything that worked for Bill and that he believes in.

It's not surprising that he wouldn't like an incomplete project QB with crazy tools and a high ceiling like Drake (he hated Josh Allen), he would rather have a safe game manager like JJ McCarthy because deep in his soul he hates quarterbacks and thinks they're overvalued, remember all the stuff thinking he could win with any of the top 15 QBs in the league that's what he believes still.

He aged out like every player ages out, they either retire or the game retires them it will happen to Reid, Harbaugh ect too, all of these guys have a shelf life and can't operate at their peak into their 70s.

Think about it for a second that guy is well over 70 years old, some people can barely get out the house at that age and he's trying to coach.

 

[Jackson 2]

"he was a great coach but a Losey person".
So he admits he was a great coach. We won 6 SBs with him as our coach.
You really think because he didn't explicitly state "I appreciated his time as a coach" that as a Pats fan he doesn't appreciate having 6 SBs that BB was part of?
No one is debating he was a great coach for us, but it seems to offend you that people think he isn't a great person.

"No one is debating he was a great coach for us".. Really? Lots of people are doing exactly that.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Did he ever say he didn't appreciate his time as a coach?
He said he's a great coach and a lousy person, both can be true.
If you are offended by that, then that's your problem.
He's clearly a petty, immature, resentful A-hole, but that doesn't discredit his coaching chops.

Bill's negative qualities you point out reflect the fact he considers himself to be a Giants guy, but I can understand anybody's resentment about how the Patriots have allowed themselves to be picked on for over half a century now. It's easier to believe they deserve how they've been treated, even though they don't.

The Giants would never be subjected to the derision the Patriots have (despite actually deserving it, especially for twenty years prior to Parcells), and most people believe the Giants would never be assaulted with multiple Fake-Gates because they're a 'model' organization. Which is ********.

 

[Pape]

Interesting. I ask this not to change your mind. But if you recognized Bill was no longer the same coach why would you think he didnt deserve to be fired?

He obviously had the greatest run as a HC while here. But why commit to a guy who you yourself said was no longer making decisions in the best interest of the Patriots?

Isn't that the very reason why you fire someone?

hindsight is always 20/20

in the moment i felt he had earned the right to fix the mess he had created.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I take no pleasure at all in making this observation.

If that were true, you would not make the observation. But you knew that already.