NFL Trade Deadline Discourse

[patfanken]

Last season, from the start of the regular season through the trade deadline:


Only 5 of those 19 players are still with the team that traded for them last season

Now this stat is terrifying to me. ONLY 5 players made it to the next years roster. THAT little factoid should be kept in mind as we think about using cap and draft assets.

Not that I don't believe we need to make a trade, but we should keep this in mind. Trade for a player who will likely be here at least through the 26 season.

BTW- saw a clip on OIave where a Saints blogger complained about Olave's critical drops and what SHOULD have been a fumble recovery for the Pats (but for the refs) Good receiver no doubt, but not perfect. The point being if I had a choice between who is going to help us the most between Olave and a good RB, edge, S or CB I'd take the last 4 every time.

 

[PatsFan2]

It'd certainly be welcome if he does "figure it out". Even so, there is some diminishing returns there because Diggs is super effective out of the slot. If the 3 WR package includes Douglas, then Diggs can't play the slot unless you take Douglas out for Hollins which just recreates the issue. So even if Douglas does emerge as a solidified member of the 3 WR set, that's going to force us to go away from something that's been working well too.

So even if Douglas emerges, they should probably still get someone better than Hollins to rotate in so they can still use Diggs in the slot in 3 WR packages - either a pure outside guy or at least someone with more inside/outside versatility than Douglas is ever going to bring. That's what Kyle Williams, in theory, should be doing now but he isn't ready.

The reality is, Bourne should be on the team in that role. He should have gotten Chism's roster spot who should be on the practice squad. Hollins can stay because his roster spot really is more of the third TE spot than the 6th WR. If they absolutely LOVED Chism so much and were scared to lose him (which his playing time doesn't indicate), then make a tough cut somewhere else.

FB Jack Westover is absolutely useless...I question his Roster spot to this day. His Blocking sucks and he can't catch; nice recipe for a FB. Somebody have damaging pictures of someone.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

And I hate when people can't be bothered to read what's actually stated and insist on making up illogical nonsense.

No where did say that the Pats should emulate the 2001 Patriots. What I stated was that this group of receivers is far better than that group.

Well what was your point for bringing it up? Maybe "emulate" wasn't the right word but I read it as you saying because a team won with worse weapons than what we have that what we have is good enough. And I disagree with that premise because you're isolating one position. Is our defense as good as 2001? Not even close. You can't just pick and choose a weak unit from past champions and treat that as the "good enough" barometer because those teams were only able to win with those weak units in consideration of the rest of their team. You have to take that whole picture when saying "good enough" or not, rather than just isolate the position.

You can win with a weak anything if you're good enough elsewhere. Bad QB play, terrible RBs, bad WRs, no TE, weak OL, weak DL, awful LBs, leaky secondary, unreliable kicker/STs... there's a champion in history with any one of those. But those spots were only "good enough" because of the rest of the roster. So maybe you're not trying to "emulate" those weak units, but you're implying that ours can be good if we had strengths elsewhere and that's not a good way to try to build a team.

I also disagree with your base premise that this team's weapons are way better. You admitted the RBs were better in 2001. Patten was probably better than Boutte when you look at his production in a way tougher era to play WR in. Diggs is better than Troy Brown, but Diggs isn't in his absolute prime and Brown was legit awesome that year out of the slot. The TEs on this team clearly better. I think far better is even overstating it, but I digress.

 

[Bill Lee]

"When you need that yard, that's when you put in Hollins" is just such an uninspiring statement to me. That's part of my point. I'd rather just have a consistently reliable WR3 to lean on.

I disagree with you that someone who isn't reliable but has some YAC ability is what you want in a WR3. You don't "want" unreliable in any role. But that skill set you describe, IMO, is what fits in WR4, not WR3. I think you want to be able to run a consistently reliable 3 WR set. Your #4 guy can be someone like Douglas that you mix in for package plays. So go get someone to complete your "standard" 3 WR set. Douglas can be #4 and a package player. Hollins can stay active on gamedays and continue serving as basically the third TE with his STs contributions and playing time in short yardage/goal line situations. But solidify WR with a legit, consistent option there.

This would push Kyle Williams to gameday inactive, which his currently level of play warrants. Chism maybe off the roster and to the practice squad, which as much as people love him, is what his level of play warrants right now. But maybe his return role keeps him on for now and they have to release some other back of the roster guy.

Of course, we'd all love studs at every WR position, but it's just not realistic. We're still paying the bills (sic) for several seasons of bad drafting. We've gone a few seasons not even thinking we had WR1 or WR2 so expecting a stud at WR3 isn't realistic right now, IMO.

AJ Brown is 27 and the contract we'd assume would be a major commitment (see below), along with whatever players or picks Philly would want.

Do we really want to make this big a commitment to him while we have so many other holes to fill?

 

[Uptown]

I’d give a late rounder to Tennessee for RB Tony Pollard if they’re willing to move him.

-Starting experience
-Cheap (potentially)
-Multiple 1,000 yard seasons
-Receiving ability
-We’ll see him up, close & personal Sunday

 

[PatsFan2]

I’d give a late rounder to Tennessee for RB Tony Pollard if they’re willing to move him.

-Starting experience
-Cheap (potentially)
-Multiple 1,000 yard seasons
-Receiving ability
-We’ll see him up, close & personal Sunday

Nice find we could probably offer them Rham in a swap.

 

[palialka]

He was my binky too. Henderson is a rookie in the most difficult offense in the league. He will be fantastic. Just give him time. The preseason is vanilla and that is why he did so well. He is overwhelmed with his assignments right now. That will change, and when it does you will see.

I agree. Henderson will be a really good player but it might take him a season or two to adjust to the NFL level…similar to the James White early years.

The one thing that concerns me a little is that Henderson seems to be a straight north/south runner with not a lot of wiggle or escapability. I’m not sure if that will work in the NFL at his smaller size. I think he will adapt his style but that takes time.

 

[signbabybrady]

Nice find we could probably offer them Rham in a swap.

No swap mostly we should be looking to fill Robinsons role. That can be a smaller move that makes Henderson the replacement and we just add a little depth. Or a bigger move where the player trumps Rham and moves him down into Gibsons role. But if we were to go with a swap that kind of still leaves the hole in our depth.

 

[Uptown]

No swap mostly we should be looking to fill Robinsons role. That can be a smaller move that makes Henderson the replacement and we just add a little depth. Or a bigger move where the player trumps Rham and moves him down into Robinsons role. But if we were to go with a swap that kind of still leaves the hole in our depth.

Gibson

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Of course, we'd all love studs at every WR position, but it's just not realistic. We're still paying the bills (sic) for several seasons of bad drafting. We've gone a few seasons not even thinking we had WR1 or WR2 so expecting a stud at WR3 isn't realistic right now, IMO.

AJ Brown is 27 and the contract we'd assume would be a major commitment (see below), along with whatever players or picks Philly would want.

Do we really want to make this big a commitment to him while we have so many other holes to fill?

I said we could use a reliable third receiver that has the ability to line up on the outside when Diggs in the slot. If Diggs is outside then Douglas can be the third guy so it doesn't even need to be a full-time player. It's a big leap from that description to AJ Brown lol

Now, I do think shopping for a guy like AJ Brown does make sense. You present that contract like it's particularly onerous. Keep in mind that the prorated bonus - signing column is retained PHI and so is the 2025 option bonus. We'd be taking on the other columns. So the cap numbers aren't as large as you're showing here. For 2025 we only take on the paltry remainder of his base salary prorated for the rest of the year. The real commitment we take on is 2 years, $29M - all of his 2026 and 2027 compensation. That's not a lot of money for him, and they can convert some of that to signing bonus and spread out through 2030 as well. The remainder of that contract, if traded, is actually very reasonable for a new team. That's what happens when teams use big signing bonuses in deals - that stays on their cap so it becomes an easier to assume contract for the acquiring team if you move him since you have to retain the dead money.

But overall, I think a lower option is fine too. Like maybe DeAndre Hopkins if BAL sells, for example. Just someone better than Hollins.

 

[signbabybrady]

Gibson

For some reason I've been calling him Robinson randomly since we signed him

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I’d give a late rounder to Tennessee for RB Tony Pollard if they’re willing to move him.

-Starting experience
-Cheap (potentially)
-Multiple 1,000 yard seasons
-Receiving ability
-We’ll see him up, close & personal Sunday

Seems unlikely. They have 127 carries as a team this year and 14 of them are Cam Ward and 6 are by a WR. So really, it's 107 carries by RBs. Pollard has 92 of them. Granted, Spears has been out but he still only has 9 carries in 2 games and has never had more than 100 carries in a season (though with 84 in 12 games last year, he was paced for a bit more I guess). Their other RB is Julius Chestnutt, who has 6 carries this year despite being primary backup for the first 4 games which brings his career total to 37 carries in 4 seasons.

I get that they suck and will probably sell to some degree, but they do need to get through the season and have some type of infrastructure for their developing QB. Juice just doesn't seem worth the squeeze for them to move him for a late pick.

 

[Uptown]

For some reason I've been calling him Robinson randomly since we signed him

As long as “son” is a part of the name, it’s all the same lol. Unless, you’re prophesying we trade for Bijan….

 

[RobertWeathers]

More defense please. Run stoppers, pass rushers, cover corners, and someone to replace Dugger in coverage

 

[signbabybrady]

As long as “son” is a part of the name, it’s all the same lol. Unless, you’re prophesying we trade for Bijan….

If prophesying means I'm in then I'm in

 

[VrabelJr]

FB Jack Westover is absolutely useless...I question his Roster spot to this day. His Blocking sucks and he can't catch; nice recipe for a FB. Somebody have damaging pictures of someone.

I heard, through a very reliable source, Westover has naked pics of Sidy Sow who has naked pics of Jake Bequette who has naked pics of Bill Belichick who has naked pics of Robert Kraft who has naked pics of Tom Brady

 

[signbabybrady]

I heard, through a very reliable source, Westover has naked pics of Sidy Sow who has naked pics of Jake Bequette who has naked pics of Bill Belichick who has naked pics of Robert Kraft who has naked pics of Tom Brady

El Prez has those Pics of Brady's kid. Explains his rise in wealth and power. Illuminati strikes again.

 

[VrabelJr]

El Prez has those Pics of Brady's kid. Explains his rise in wealth and power. Illuminati strikes again.

Mods please move this to the Chiefs favorable calls from refs thread

 

[PatsFan2]

I heard, through a very reliable source, Westover has naked pics of Sidy Sow who has naked pics of Jake Bequette who has naked pics of Bill Belichick who has naked pics of Robert Kraft who has naked pics of Tom Brady

I get it.

 

[mayoclinic]

I agree. Henderson will be a really good player but it might take him a season or two to adjust to the NFL level…similar to the James White early years.

I remember all the posts about what a bust James White was for his first 2 years. I think he was on the "must have incriminating photos of BB" list for a while.