Content Post Idle Thoughts: the 4-2 edition.

[Bill Lee]

I don't think Chism's 5 returns for 129 yards are getting enough attention given that we were concerned about not having Gibson on hand.

Heck at nearly 26 yards per return that's better than any of the RBs did with returns against Buffalo - so Chism also solves that problem, plus he's likely on the game day roster as yet ANOTHER receiving threat.

I think it's a glass half full thing.

It's great he showed he can be a competent KR. It's great he was a UDFA and isn't costing the team a lot. It's great he's now available to be a WR as well. It's great that sooner or later he should break one of those KRs. It's great we don't have to expose a RB to be our KR.

Yet, is 26 yards per KR a lot under the modern rules? The source linked below suggests it's quite average, both before this year's rule change and after.

The Return of the Returns (Slight Return)

Like it or not, kickoff returns are back. And they are bringing both big plays and tactical decisions back to what used to be a glorified commercial break.

miketanier.substack.com

It is interesting we don't have a lot of "what are we gonna do about Gibson" talk aimed at the RB position either.

Henderson did "okay" filling in for him, IMO, but just that.

 

[p8ryts]

Some comments on your comments.
1) OCs don’t execute. A poorly executed play isn’t an OCs fault, unless you call plays your team can’t execute. When you are getting tackled at handoff I don’t know that slower developing misdirection plays will work. I want to go back and watch the tape but during the game I felt it wasn’t playing calling but blocking. I didn’t notice an abandonment of misdirection and there were a lot of play action plays.
2) Maye has been incredible. How incredible? He has a higher completion % AND yards per attempt than Tom Brady ever had in a season. I think we need to stop using gonna with Maye and use is.
3) I’m seeing discipline in pass blocking and clutching and grabbing in the run game. 350 lb RGs should use their shoulders not their fingers
4) As has been the case for the last 25 years most of our WRs are tough to define. We play a different game each week depending upon how we are defended. What we are seeing more and more of is Maye extending plays and hitting the deeper and intermediate areas. Ultimately the 3 step dunk and dunk plays are an extension/replacement for the running game but I almost feel we are wasting Maye every time we don’t run a pass play that attacks the entire field.
5) I think the game plan on D was different than any other game we’ve played. Rattler is quick to take the short throw. His avg per completion was like 8.2 on the season and minus 1 big catch and run it was under 8 which is historically very low. I think we played into that. We drop off into zone and let him take his comfort level but when he needed to do more he couldn’t. We allowed 3 second half points. We were depleted on the front 4. Williams was ill he only played 33 snaps and wasn’t himself. White was out. Jennings was out. Chaisson returning from injury and Landry got banged up. I think we wanted to limit blitzed because rattler is more dangerous running than throwing.
6) LBs have improved. I am not a fan of Elliss. He doesn’t read and diagnose well and gets lost in coverage. Tackles are a spurious stat. If you are run at all the time because you are a liability you get a lot of tackles after good gains. If you allow a lot of completions then tackle the guy, that’s also a negative disguised as a positive in tackle totals.
7) Duggar played every snap and that’s the only time he stood out as a bad play. I think we decided to force them to beat us throwing in front of the zone. Other than the first play Olave only had 5 catches in 9 targets for 45 yards
8) STs were ok. Nothing bad nothing great.
9) We are really no different than anyone else in depth. Every team “rebuilding” or “established” has depth issues and if the lose top line starters it’s just as much of a disaster. I say this to everyone who brings up this topic. Look around the league and find me the teams that have “good depth”. You will find either guys not good enough to start or guys who gave proven nothing. I actually think we have, compare to other teams, good depth in many areas. I also think that the multiple nature of our schemes and the game planning approach make us better equipped to deal with guys being out.

Nice post Ken. What a difference this is from a year ago

good points. It did seem like Olave was running unimpeded through the zone and I was surprised he only 5 catches. It seemed like more.

 

[TommyD4207]

I don't think Chism's 5 returns for 129 yards are getting enough attention given that we were concerned about not having Gibson on hand.

They're not getting a lot of attention because he was pretty ****ing bad at returning kicks.

 

[imahobgoblin]

I'll take the WR's please ken: glad Pop Douglas is back: Boutte what can you say?? I think his ceiling is a poor man's Stefon Diggs. Glad we finally had a Chism sighting. Chris Olave if he's available we should be interested he's a very good WR.

The Clown Show Posse shows up again. Boutte and Diggs are nothing alike. They play very different roles. How can you call him a poor man's Diggs. Thats stupid. Olave has had 5 concussions. 5. Not 4. 5 documented concussions. If he were a free agent in an incentive deal, yes sign him. Trade? No way. If he plays well, NO will keep him with Rattler. You gotta stop doing this Madden/Fantasy WR trade crap.

 

[upstater1]

Maybe we should play Tonga a little earlier and Williams on the edge and bring the pass rushers on as the game progresses.

Yes, I think this is the key. Last week against the Bills they did exactly that, and even had one of Anfernee and Keion in there early (I forget who).

 

[JoeSixPat]

I think it's a glass half full thing.

It's great he showed he can be a competent KR. It's great he was a UDFA and isn't costing the team a lot. It's great he's now available to be a WR as well. It's great that sooner or later he should break one of those KRs. It's great we don't have to expose a RB to be our KR.

Yet, is 26 yards per KR a lot under the modern rules? The source linked below suggests it's quite average, both before this year's rule change and after.

The Return of the Returns (Slight Return)

Like it or not, kickoff returns are back. And they are bringing both big plays and tactical decisions back to what used to be a glorified commercial break.

miketanier.substack.com

It is interesting we don't have a lot of "what are we gonna do about Gibson" talk aimed at the RB position either.

Henderson did "okay" filling in for him, IMO, but just that.

They're not getting a lot of attention because he was pretty ****ing bad at returning kicks.

Good read - although according to that the average KR in the NFL is actually a bit less than what Chism showed us.

Given that he's better than the RBs, "adequate" or "average" in the NFL is probably more accurate - probably enough to stay on the roster this week. He's got the right attitude to make it on STs too.

 

[mayoclinic]

Given that he's better than the RBs, "adequate" or "average" in the NFL is probably more accurate - probably enough to stay on the roster this week. He's got the right attitude to make it on STs too.

Chism has been on the roster all season.

His value as a KR right now probably enough to keep him on the 46 man game day actives.

 

[Steve102]

The Clown Show Posse shows up again. Boutte and Diggs are nothing alike. They play very different roles. How can you call him a poor man's Diggs. Thats stupid. Olave has had 5 concussions. 5. Not 4. 5 documented concussions. If he were a free agent in an incentive deal, yes sign him. Trade? No way. If he plays well, NO will keep him with Rattler. You gotta stop doing this Madden/Fantasy WR trade crap.

It's the Cult of Vertical Routeness.