Will Campbell Watch

[DaBruinz]

Agree with this.
Some could argue their success elsewhere proves they weren’t bad choices.
If that is the case, one could easily argue BB is even more to blame for not having the right coaching staff in place to develop them.
As far as I’m concerned it’s a fail by BB any way you slice it.

Players like Ryland were cut by someone other than BB. So, how is that BB's fault?
Same with Jake Andrews. How is it BB's fault that Andrews got injured in 2024 and Vrabel & Staff chose not to give him a chance?

While I agree with your take that BB didn't have the right coaching staff for the O-line or WR, how can you hold BB accountable for the the decisions by different Coaching staffs?

I think you have to take it on a player by player basis and look at who made the decision to cut said player..

 

[mgteich]

All any player can ever do on any play is take care of their own individual responsibility.

I disagree.

Players can help out other players in addition to doing his own job well. This is especially true on the OL For example, having a really good center and LT can allow a below average LG perform at least acceptably.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Crediting or discrediting a pressure if the play is positive or negative seems silly. If you beat the OT and force the QB to throw early that's a good thing. Ty Law's pick 6 against the Rams... Vrabel caused that with pressure on Warner. If Ty Law falls down and Bruce catches it now all of a sudden that's not a good play by Vrabel anymore? That's absolute nonsense.

It's not silly at all. You pointed out one play from a player who averaged 6 sacks per season during his time in NE. In fact, Mike Vrabel wasn't going to be mistaken for one of the best pass rushers in the NFL. A consistently good pass rusher would have no problem duplicating that play. There are many defensive players that racked up sacks playing on bad teams/defensives because they are elite players. They didn't have the excuse of not having Ty Law at CB and BB running the defense. You will hear announcers weekly say defender A put pressure the QB who already located his receiver and has the ball out for a 1st down, big play or TD. I don't care that he almost got to the QB which is why including the result of whether his "pressure" was a positive or negative result puts context on the impact that player brings on a consistent basis and weed out the fake pressures.

That's like saying if the outside CB on the left covered his man he didn't actually do well because the slot CB on the right got beat for a TD.

That's not a good example at all because the the outside CB has nothing to do with the slot CB. Christian Gonzalez made All Pro despite playing on a bad defense. There are QB ratings when thrown their way which helps determines the result when they are targeted.

All any player can ever do on any play is take care of their own individual responsibility. PFF is far from perfect but pressuring the QB is a fairly straightforward concept. There's of course some subjectivity to it, but anyone with even a basic understanding of football can look at a pass rusher and decide if he got a good rush on the QB and any pass rusher who's consistently getting pressure on the QB is contributing well in their individual role.

If an edge player has 3-5 sacks on the season, is he a good pass rusher? The answer is no. If you are a consistently putting heat on the QB, you will sack him - especially in this era where many QB's who panic and are running around so much. It's literally impossible in this era to be around a QB that much, but not sack him. There's no other stat that's going to gaslight me into thinking otherwise.

 

[jdlboot14]

Campbell was a HUGE story during camp and preseason.
But there's been almost nothing said about him since week 1 - and that's the greatest thing we could ever have imagined.
I mean, if our 4th overall pick turns into a 10+ yr lockdown LT - it's the 2nd biggest HIT after QB a team can make.
(yes, even more than Gonzo - who is much more likely to get poached in FA after his next ~5yr mega deal)

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Josh was a ten dollar coach? And it's Kraft that would set that budget there is no cap on how much you can spend on coaches.

Our coaches were constantly getting poached I'm sure Bill would have gladly paid to keep some of them but people want advancement.

It was BBs decision to put Patricia and Judge in charge of our offense.
Like seriously, in what universe is that even remotely a good idea!

 

[sb1]

It was BBs decision to put Patricia and Judge in charge of our offense.
Like seriously, in what universe is that even remotely a good idea!

Ask the Bill cult. They think it's a good idea.

 

[VrabelJr]

I disagree.

Players can help out other players in addition to doing his own job well. This is especially true on the OL For example, having a really good center and LT can allow a below average LG perform at least acceptably.

Usually it’s the other way around and good LGs offset poor LT play, partly because LT is a more challenging position. Mankins and Thuney often compensated for the fact that we had good but not great LTs and Centers.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Campbell only allowed 5 sacks over 3 years at LSU, and he averaged 1 pressure a game, so it's really hard to see how anyone " ate his lunch." While he was at LSU. Scourton got a ton of publicity for a spin move he put on Campbell but he didn't put up any significant number of sacks or pressures against him, and that's what tackles are measured on.

And I believe he had 2 sacks on his very 1st game at LSU
After that game only 3 sacks over 3 years

 

[Mike the Brit]

It was BBs decision to put Patricia and Judge in charge of our offense.
Like seriously, in what universe is that even remotely a good idea!

Let's be honest here.

BB read so many stories along the lines "Belichick-is-the-greatest-defensive-coach-of all-time-because-he-can-coach-any-position-on-the-field" that he thought: "Time for me to coach the offense, then!"

Judge and Patricia were his sock-puppets (and then fall-guys).

 

[PatsFan2]

It was BBs decision to put Patricia and Judge in charge of our offense.
Like seriously, in what universe is that even remotely a good idea!

That one.

 

[signbabybrady]

It was BBs decision to put Patricia and Judge in charge of our offense.
Like seriously, in what universe is that even remotely a good idea!

Let's be honest here.

BB read so many stories along the lines "Belichick-is-the-greatest-defensive-coach-of all-time-because-he-can-coach-any-position-on-the-field" that he thought: "Time for me to coach the offense, then!"

Judge and Patricia were his sock-puppets (and then fall-guys).

Or maybe he was just trying to replicate what he did for Brady when he was the QB coach for Brady's 2nd year. He also wanted guys he'd worked with before. He clearly shouldn't have given them coordinator roles but that doesn't mean you have to assume his motivations weren't pure.

Listen to Brady talk about how important that was too him.

 

[p8ryts]

It was BBs decision to put Patricia and Judge in charge of our offense.
Like seriously, in what universe is that even remotely a good idea!

Actually, the offense was playing well at the end of the year but --- Mac Jones done them in every time.

 

[Clonamery]

Let's be honest here.

BB read so many stories along the lines "Belichick-is-the-greatest-defensive-coach-of all-time-because-he-can-coach-any-position-on-the-field" that he thought: "Time for me to coach the offense, then!"

Judge and Patricia were his sock-puppets (and then fall-guys).

Not prudent.

 

[sb1]

Actually, the offense was playing well at the end of the year but --- Mac Jones done them in every time.

They were terribly coached and looked the part.

 

[sb1]

Let's be honest here.

BB read so many stories along the lines "Belichick-is-the-greatest-defensive-coach-of all-time-because-he-can-coach-any-position-on-the-field" that he thought: "Time for me to coach the offense, then!"

Judge and Patricia were his sock-puppets (and then fall-guys).

Even Patricia himself admitted he didn't know why he was made OC that year. Says it all.

 

[Huckleberry1]

And I believe he had 2 sacks on his very 1st game at LSU
After that game only 3 sacks over 3 years

I'm pretty sure he faced Jared Verse in his first game as an 18 year old, and Verse got the better of him.

 

[Thelonious]

Seems like a good player and a good guy who is well-coached. That sort of thing has been pretty scarce around here for years now. About two-thirds of the way through the Carolina game I realized I hadn't given the O-line a thought: sort of taking for granted they'd do their job, running or passing.. It's been a long time since we've had that luxury.. The newbie left side we worried about looks every bit as secure as the right side, maybe better. Pretty cool.

 

[mgteich]

Seems like a good player and a good guy who is well-coached. That sort of thing has been pretty scarce around here for years now. About two-thirds of the way through the Carolina game I realized I hadn't given the O-line a thought: sort of taking for granted they'd do their job, running or passing.. It's been a long time since we've had that luxury.. The newbie left side we worried about looks every bit as secure as the right side, maybe better. Pretty cool.

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Perhaps the most important situations so far this year.
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The OL will continue to improve, BUT it seems that the OL is no longer a team weakness.

Brown has been an especially pleasant surprise.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

It was BBs decision to put Patricia and Judge in charge of our offense.
Like seriously, in what universe is that even remotely a good idea!

Look at the STATS, Fat Matt and judge did better than "BigGame Bill O'Brien"
Not that it was Good.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

I'm pretty sure he faced Jared Verse in his first game as an 18 year old, and Verse got the better of him.

What’s telling about him at a young age when he let up those 2 sacks
He learned from them and battened down the hatches
He’s another smart and mentally tough player to go along with Drake
Having a future franchise QB and LT with those qualities is very rare in the modern NFL
I also believe we have a Coach that will be here along time and be successful
3 Cornerstone pieces in place. Possibly the most important 3