Revisiting the Jim Plunkett trade

[signbabybrady]

And how many Super Bowl would we have won had we drafted Herschel Walker, then were the ones to trade him to Minnesota and receive that draft haul? Or does this one deserve its own thread, too?

More than 3. Jerry underachieved lol.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

You know, since we're already revisiting ancient trades.

Went on to win 2 SBs in Oakland. We ended up with Grogan who never won anything. Cost us at least 20 super bowls.

But he was traded to SF released after 2 seasons going 6-6 and 5-9) and then went to Oakland where he won the Super Bowls. It was a win for the Patriots and in the end for Plunkett as well. He's the only Hall of Fame eligible QB who won 2 Super Bowls who is not in the Hall.

 

[signbabybrady]

But he was traded to SF released after 2 seasons going 6-6 and 5-9) and then went to Oakland where he won the Super Bowls. It was a win for the Patriots and in the end for Plunkett as well. He's the only Hall of Fame eligible QB who won 2 Super Bowls who is not in the Hall.

Unfortunately there is another

 

[maust]

More than 3. Jerry underachieved lol.

He was undermined by his coaches

 

[signbabybrady]

He was undermined by his coaches

 

[maust]

 

[Family]

The haul for Plunkett from the 49ers was three 1st's and a 2nd, plus backup QB Owen. Under Chuck Fairbanks, we drafted Pete Brock, Tim Fox, Raymond Clayborn, & Horace Ivory. Clayborn was one of the best corners ever for the Pats, tied with Ty Law for the most int's in team history. Fox was one of the better safeties in Pats history, and Brock one of the best centers in Pats' history. Ivory was a talented back. Owen backed up Grogan for several years. This trade occurred in 1975 and helped elevate the Pat's to be one of the best teams ever to not get to a SB.

Good trade for us, bad trade for SF as Plunkett washed out there, but he then resurrected in 1980 with the Raiders and led them to 2 championships.

I thought we had gotten more than Chat GDP said, but was too lazy to verify.

For those of us old enough, the mantra of the entire country during that stretch was that we were the most talented team in football.

 

[maust]

I thought we had gotten more than Chat GDP said, but was too lazy to verify.

For those of us old enough, the mantra of the entire country during that stretch was that we were the most talented team in football.

In spite of the Sullivans Bucko Kilroy was a hella personnel guy and GM

 

[TommyD4207]

In spite of the Sullivans Bucko Kilroy was a hella personnel guy and GM

They were damned lucky to have him, even when Patrick got the official gig.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

In spite of the Sullivans Bucko Kilroy was a hella personnel guy and GM

He was, but I think it was mostly Fairbanks’ doing in ‘74-77. He was ahead of his time. That team was something else.

 

[Dragda]

I was a Patriot fan in 72 but was too young to really understand football. That 76 team was fun and I was hooked for life. The divisional round playoff game in Oakland was painful and I hate the Raiders to this day. They broke Russ Francis nose and that penalty to give them another chance to score was one of the all time bad calls.

 

[TommyD4207]

In fairness

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Or how about 1985 when we traded firsts with the 49ers... we got Trevor Matich, an OL from BYU, and they got...some slowass WR named Jerry Rice

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

All right where did you get that picture of me

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

(sigh)

You just can't not can you?

You know, to some people poop is meant to be thrown, and not to is a waste.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

The haul for Plunkett from the 49ers was three 1st's and a 2nd, plus backup QB Owen. Under Chuck Fairbanks, we drafted Pete Brock, Tim Fox, Raymond Clayborn, & Horace Ivory. Clayborn was one of the best corners ever for the Pats, tied with Ty Law for the most int's in team history. Fox was one of the better safeties in Pats history, and Brock one of the best centers in Pats' history. Ivory was a talented back. Owen backed up Grogan for several years. This trade occurred in 1975 and helped elevate the Pat's to be one of the best teams ever to not get to a SB.

Good trade for us, bad trade for SF as Plunkett washed out there, but he then resurrected in 1980 with the Raiders and led them to 2 championships.

Total win for the Patriots.

Alas, for the Patriots of that time, even wins had their "Yeah, but..."s

Jim was getting killed here, Fairbanks wanted the QB to run, Jim asked for the trade and, based on his ability and his actually very good performance here which fans like to ignore, the 49ers were justified in spending what they did. They just didn't have the O-Line to protect him. The Raiders did, Davis made the brilliant move of picking Jim up and keeping him when the rest of Planet Earth considered Plunkett dead as Hector, and that is the single major reason the Raiders won the two (2) legitimate championships they won.

Meanwhile, the single major reason the Patriots had one (1) losing season in 13 highly competitive years is Steve Grogan.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

He was, but I think it was mostly Fairbanks’ doing in ‘74-77. He was ahead of his time. That team was something else.

They collaborated.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I thought we had gotten more than Chat GDP said, but was too lazy to verify.

For those of us old enough, the mantra of the entire country during that stretch was that we were the most talented team in football.

Definitely the most talented team that underachieved.

In spite of the Sullivans Bucko Kilroy was a hella personnel guy and GM

That's the intro for all they accomplished (which was a ton) in three decades.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Exactly, @Ross12 , exactly.

What are we doing? First it was the Matt Cassel trade, and this week it's the Deion Branch trade. I figured since we're discussing ancient trades that cost the Patriots dozens of mythical Super Bowls, we may as well get them all in. Next up, Curtis Martin.

Oh God, not Curtis. We both know what that's gonna morph into and I'm not sure I can handle thousands more posts of the monkeys flinging poop at each other.

I'm so sorry for this...

https://www.nytimes.com/1969/03/25/archives/patriots-trade-buoniconti-to-dolphins-and-mitchell-to-oilers-for-6.html

 

[TommyD4207]

I'm so sorry for this...

https://www.nytimes.com/1969/03/25/archives/patriots-trade-buoniconti-to-dolphins-and-mitchell-to-oilers-for-6.html

This should be its own thread.