Revisiting the Jim Plunkett trade

[TommyD4207]

You know, since we're already revisiting ancient trades.

Went on to win 2 SBs in Oakland. We ended up with Grogan who never won anything. Cost us at least 20 super bowls.

 

[Ross12]

What are we doin

 

[TommyD4207]

What are we doin

Exactly, @Ross12 , exactly.

What are we doing? First it was the Matt Cassel trade, and this week it's the Deion Branch trade. I figured since we're discussing ancient trades that cost the Patriots dozens of mythical Super Bowls, we may as well get them all in. Next up, Curtis Martin.

 

[Family]

You know, since we're already revisiting ancient trades.

Went on to win 2 SBs in Oakland. We ended up with Grogan who never won anything. Cost us at least 20 super bowls.

According to AI:

Final haul for Jim Plunkett:

• Pete Brock (12-year OL)
• Raymond Clayborn (star CB, 3× Pro Bowl)
• Stanley Morgan (star WR, 4× Pro Bowl)
• Tom Owen (backup QB)

Not bad.

 

[AQPE]

 

[maust]

Exactly, @Ross12 , exactly.

What are we doing? First it was the Matt Cassel trade, and this week it's the Deion Branch trade. I figured since we're discussing ancient trades that cost the Patriots dozens of mythical Super Bowls, we may as well get them all in. Next up, Curtis Martin.

Oh God, not Curtis. We both know what that's gonna morph into and I'm not sure I can handle thousands more posts of the monkeys flinging poop at each other.

 

[JayNM]

 

[TheRainMaker]

Before my time. Curtis Martin is my cutoff.

 

[Triumph]

You know, since we're already revisiting ancient trades.

Went on to win 2 SBs in Oakland. We ended up with Grogan who never won anything. Cost us at least 20 super bowls.

The Pats were a clown show back then.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Plunkett is way before my time.

Trades are going to happen in football and sometimes you come out losers.

Anybody remember the Clay Matthews trade down with the Packers?

How would that have changed our team if New England had stayed put at 26 and made the no-brainer pick of Matthews? How would our fortunes have changed if he had played his HOF caliber career in New England instead?

Article: Clay Matthews details hilarious NFL Draft night story where mom thought Tom Brady-led Patriots took her son

 

[borg]

Revisiting the Tyquan Thornton release...........

On pace for 850 yds / 8.5 TDs

More importantly, looks less boney / survived the ground 2 straight games.

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[TheRainMaker]

Anybody remember the Clay Matthews trade down with the Packers?

How would that have changed our team if New England had stayed put at 26 and made the no-brainer pick of Matthews? How would our fortunes have changed if he had played his HOF caliber career in New England instead?

Another player heavily mocked to the Pats which they passed on. Matthews would’ve fit what Bill wanted to do playing a 3-4 at OLB. Bill had to ditch the plan by 2011 because Bill struck out Ron Brace, Jermaine Cunningham and others I’m missing. Passing on Carlos Dunlap in 2010 was brutal.

 

[signbabybrady]

Another player heavily mocked to the Pats which they passed on. Matthews would’ve fit what Bill wanted to do playing a 3-4 at OLB. Bill had to ditch the plan by 2011 because Bill struck out Ron Brace, Jermaine Cunningham and others I’m missing. Passing on Carlos Dunlap in 2010 was brutal.

That's when he started to lose it am I right?

 

[italian pat patriot]

Plunkett and Kapp both failed in Foxboro
No doubt
Pity and sad but that s it

 

[TheRainMaker]

That's when he started to lose it am I right?

So Bill never made mistakes?

 

[signbabybrady]

So Bill never made mistakes?

That's my point. He made mistakes back then too.

 

[jimnance]

Revisiting the Tyquan Thornton release...........

On pace for 850 yds / 8.5 TDs

More importantly, looks less boney / survived the ground 2 straight games.

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No-doubt Hall of Famer. First ballot

 

[maust]

That's when he started to lose it am I right?

(sigh)

You just can't not can you?

 

[40yrpatsfan]

According to AI:

Final haul for Jim Plunkett:

• Pete Brock (12-year OL)
• Raymond Clayborn (star CB, 3× Pro Bowl)
• Stanley Morgan (star WR, 4× Pro Bowl)
• Tom Owen (backup QB)

Not bad.

The haul for Plunkett from the 49ers was three 1st's and a 2nd, plus backup QB Owen. Under Chuck Fairbanks, we drafted Pete Brock, Tim Fox, Raymond Clayborn, & Horace Ivory. Clayborn was one of the best corners ever for the Pats, tied with Ty Law for the most int's in team history. Fox was one of the better safeties in Pats history, and Brock one of the best centers in Pats' history. Ivory was a talented back. Owen backed up Grogan for several years. This trade occurred in 1975 and helped elevate the Pat's to be one of the best teams ever to not get to a SB.

Good trade for us, bad trade for SF as Plunkett washed out there, but he then resurrected in 1980 with the Raiders and led them to 2 championships.

 

[jboston19]

And how many Super Bowl would we have won had we drafted Herschel Walker, then were the ones to trade him to Minnesota and receive that draft haul? Or does this one deserve its own thread, too?