Injury Creates Starting Opportunity For Former Patriots Quarterback (Mac Jones)

[sb1]

I haven't seen that argument since 07. I'm sure you could still find it on Google. Just like you could find people who believe earth is flat. But why even search for opinions like that?

And they sounded stupid saying it back then or now. Brady was never a system QB.

 

[Wozzy]

Brady needed a lot of development from 2000-2003, that’s when he started to put it together, limit turnovers and improve mightily.

According to the fanboys he arrived and went nuclear on the NFL… of course the fanboys ^ were like 12 when this all happened, so there’s that.

 

[Bill Lee]

wouldn't have mattered if Paul Brown himself was coaching the O... Mac, when pressed, folds. He is not an innovator... That's not to say he can't play QB, he can, but when he is pressured he falls apart... His game is based on accuracy... when he has the time he can sit behind the line and find his guys and do well... but he's not going to put a team on his back and drag them across the line...

In SF with Shanahan, he has a coach who will sit there and micromanage every play telling Mac exactly what he wants... and as long as he stays within those bounds a majority of the time he will do well... He's a lesser talented Jared Goff in a sense... Last year in Jax is a prime example of this - Even with a very QB friendly coach, he reverted back to what he was doing here... had a better completion percentage than Lawrence, but had a 1:1 TD/Int ratio... you can't consistently win under those circumstances...

He can carve out a very long NFL career for himself... can make millions of dollars doing so... as a Back-Up...

In some post game comments, Mac self-identified as a fair-weather QB:

“I’ve worked a lot on my mindset this offseason,” Jones said. “The line did a great job blocking for me, and when they do that, I know I can sit in there and let it fly.”

Left unsaid is if this offseason mindset work will help him out when he can't just sit in there.

Good on him for having a nice performance, but let's not forget he was playing against a bottom-of-the-barrel defense.

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[Pape]

Mac would be a disaster in Chicago much like he was here in NE once the weather gets cold.

He does't have enough velocity in his throws to play in cold weather areas (unless they're in a dome like the Vikings).

That was more of a reference to the type of OC Ben Johnson is (ie. exemplified by his work with Jared Goff) more than Chicago itself...

 

[sb1]

Brady needed a lot of development from 2000-2003, that’s when he started to put it together, limit turnovers and improve mightily.

According to the fanboys he arrived and went nuclear on the NFL… of course the fanboys ^ were like 12 when this all happened, so there’s that.

Did he have a top 5 defense like they do now?

 

[Wozzy]

Did he have a top 5 defense like they do now?

Nobody said that. Stop lying.

 

[Bill Lee]

Okay, but, to be clear, I do not regard hatred as remotely the right term for my attitude. If I hated hem, I would want him to recover from his present sad tailspin, which I very much hope he will. He is a smart man. I am sure he knows how this all must look, and I am sure that must be quite painful.

Thelonius, you are wasting your time trying to convince a cultist troll to interpret your words as you intend them to be interpreted.

As you see he takes any expression of criticism, no matter how correct it is, of his hoodie-wearing hero as hate.

His narcissism makes him think he's doing the world a service by publicly defending the honor of a man who shows he no longer cares about his public image.

EDIT: Nice to see that you caught on to the cultist troll after he told you he was listening to the voices in his stoner head instead of reading what you actually wrote.

 

[signbabybrady]

Did he have a top 5 defense like they do now?

Weird question. The defense in the first dynasty was about as good as any in history (other than '85 Bears and '00 Ravens).

 

[Wozzy]

Weird question. The defense in the first dynasty was about as good as any in history (other than '85 Bears and '00 Ravens).

Defensively they were ranked 6th in points per drive allowed in 2001, 7th in forced turnovers. That’s helped them win it all, plus a consistent rushing attack and Charlie Weis holding Tom’s hand and Bill teaching him coverages.

Fanboys don’t understand football.

 

[Rob0729]

I always thought Mac Jones had the potential to be a good QB in the right situation. I think he might prove that to be true.

If Jones succeeds in San Fran, it will be extremely damning to Belichick especially since Belichick seemed to do everything possible to set Jones up for failure. And that is only a slight exaggeration.

But if what we saw from Maye on Sunday is who he is going to be, I think in a way Belichick sabotaging Jones might have been for the best for the Patriots. Maye has a higher ceiling.

 

[Bill Lee]

Mac could be a winning QB in this league with the right system and talent around him. And, SF is about as good of program for his skill set - quick processing, not asking QB to be Superman, good OL, great OC/playcaller.

The problems arise when he goes up against better competition in situations with a lot more on the line.

Here he was up against a talent-deficient team with a new coaching staff playing at home in a nice fall day in the SF Bay. I'm sure he felt some mental pressure due to having to be a starter but all he is expected to do is hold the fort till Purdy comes back. This is different than being expected to win a playoff game on the road against a top-teir opponent in tough weather conditions.

I hope he does better under pressure than he did while he was here, but I'll have to see it to believe it.

 

[Wozzy]

I always thought Mac Jones had the potential to be a good QB in the right situation. I think he might prove that to be true.

QB’s and other young players can also improve… it’s not just situation alone, it’s a combination of the two.

Mac has always had the ability to pass, he was just a turnover machine and has a Kirk Cousins, Brock Purdy arm… okay but not great. Omit the turnovers and he’s Kirk Cousins. We’ll see…

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Mac never wanted to be coached like Tom

Is the company that makes Tom's wearable AI publicly traded?

Seriously, that was brilliant and clear, and the sort of thing he should do. I know everybody hates when he calls games... but just watching that clip gave me a clue (and I wish it gave everyone a clue) about the 2 parts of this stupid Bill (et al.)/Tom debate that had to work to make a dynasty.

He as much as said the team has to coach a QB well to get the best out of him... but then the other side is, how much "best" is in him (in Brady's case, all of it.)

Great clip. (I mean, this one, if it's not clickable in the quote above)

 

[Bill Lee]

That was f*cking awesome. Thanks.

I think Brady is maturing as an announcer and an analyst. I thought he came across as pretty stiff last season. I also thought he used jock-speak a bit too much. But he shines in this piece. He avoids the jock speak and lays things out in a way the hypothetical everyman can understand. He also resisted the urge to make Cowherd look like a fool, which is so easy to do. He just took the question as asked and used it as a teaching moment for the listeners. I've seen his game calls the first two weeks and IMO they were quite good. He seems to have a much better idea of what to say and when/how to say it.

 

[Rob0729]

The problems arise when he goes up against better competition in situations with a lot more on the line.

Here he was up against a talent-deficient team with a new coaching staff playing at home in a nice fall day in the SF Bay. I'm sure he felt some mental pressure due to having to be a starter but all he is expected to do is hold the fort till Purdy comes back. This is different than being expected to win a playoff game on the road against a top-teir opponent in tough weather conditions.

I hope he does better under pressure than he did while he was here, but I'll have to see it to believe it.

Yes, he cracked under pressure here, but don't forget that he had an absurd amount of pressure here that he would never have in San Fran or anywhere else. He had a head coach who refused to speak to him and helped to manufacture a QB controversy rather than to back him up. He had a defensive coordinator as an offensive coordinator and QB coach who knew less about the position than he did. He had no offensive line or receivers.

I don't think Jones is ever going to be a top QB, but in Shanahan's system he can be above average.

 

[Rob0729]

QB’s and other young players can also improve… it’s not just situation alone, it’s a combination of the two.

Mac has always had the ability to pass, he was just a turnover machine and has a Kirk Cousins, Brock Purdy arm… okay but not great. Omit the turnovers and he’s Kirk Cousins. We’ll see…

He was put in a situation in New England where he couldn't improve. Shanahan will give him the system to thrive.

Mac was a "turnover machine" here in part because he was set up to fail. No QB could have succeeded in his situation although others would have handled the situation much better.

 

[Thelonious]

It's the image you project. Wether you want to admit or not you are part of a select group that spends half their time on this board posting negative, hateful, and uncalled for things about Belichick with zero cause for such behavior.

Where there is zero such behavior, there will inevitably be "zero cause."

As for my being part of a "select group," I blush at the compliment.

 

[sb1]

Funny seeing the Bill cult moderating their opinions on Mac Jones. According to them not that long ago he was like the worst QB in the history of the NFL and Bill was forced by blackmail to draft him or something. They're not saying that anymore.

Now that he's in a good situation they must be getting nervous about the damage to their hoodied hero's legacy if he plays well. Or they're ready to give Bill all the credit for drafting him after all. Lmao.

 

[zydecochris]

QB’s and other young players can also improve… it’s not just situation alone, it’s a combination of the two.

Mac has always had the ability to pass, he was just a turnover machine and has a Kirk Cousins, Brock Purdy arm… okay but not great. Omit the turnovers and he’s Kirk Cousins. We’ll see…

I’ve wondered about Kirk Cousins as a ceiling for him, it is possible if he gets the right coaching and circumstances in the next few years.

Regarding the turnovers, it was so weird to see that from him esp. his second year (the one without the OC). At Alabama Saban coached him to not take risks and to avoid turnovers at ALL costs, and in Mac’s senior, Nat Champion year he passed for 41 TDs with only 4 INTs (!). It was so weird to see him go from that to throwing it up for grabs at NE, I used to wonder if he was being coached to take more risk by Patricia, maybe Patricia forgot turnovers weren’t the desired outcome on offense.

 

[Wozzy]

He was put in a situation in New England where he couldn't improve. Shanahan will give him the system to thrive.

Mac was a "turnover machine" here in part because he was set up to fail. No QB could have succeeded in his situation although others would have handled the situation much better.

He sucked after week 13 as a rookie, that’s who he was ever after. That’s reality.