The Bill megathread (HC at UNC, girlfriend, etc.)

[sb1]

2024 6-7 UNC was a loaded team, just a HC away. Anything short off the playoffs would be a failure.

And there will be a lot of questions about Bill if that’s their record. Not everyone at the school was in favor of getting him.

 

[XLIX]

+1. Bottom line is this: UNC was absolutely loaded last year and remain loaded this year.

Anything less than a playoff spot is an abysmal failure in Chapel Hill.

 

[signbabybrady]

Bill was the one who put the great players and coaches around Brady to make the dynasty possible. He failed to build a winner when Brady left, and Brady won a Lombardi without him, so that helped create an either or narrative, but without Seymour, Wilfork, Mankins, Branch, Harrison, McCourty, Gronk, Edelman, Hightower, Weis, Crennel, Scarnecchia, MacDaniels, Adams and many others I haven’t named it wouldn’t have happened. Neither one coach or one player can win Lombardi’s on their own, but media and fans need a narrative to run with so they highlight the obvious while dismissing all those around them, and that’s just not the way it works. Just look at the Seattle Super Bowl, not only do they do not win that Super Bowl if Butler doesn’t intercept that pass, but they don’t win it unless Browner repositions Butler moments before it, or if Hightower doesn’t stone Marshawn Lynch on the play before it. And there are hundreds of plays and moments throughout the season that ultimately lead to even getting to those final seconds. Brady and Belichick were the two most important pieces, and both are GOATS because of it, but so much more goes into their success, and arguing that it was just one or the other diminishes the contributions of all of those who really did contribute to it.

Welcome to the good side!

 

[p8ryts]

Bill was the one who put the great players and coaches around Brady to make the dynasty possible. He failed to build a winner when Brady left, and Brady won a Lombardi without him, so that helped create an either or narrative, but without Seymour, Wilfork, Mankins, Branch, Harrison, McCourty, Gronk, Edelman, Hightower, Weis, Crennel, Scarnecchia, MacDaniels, Adams and many others I haven’t named it wouldn’t have happened. Neither one coach or one player can win Lombardi’s on their own, but media and fans need a narrative to run with so they highlight the obvious while dismissing all those around them, and that’s just not the way it works. Just look at the Seattle Super Bowl, not only do they do not win that Super Bowl if Butler doesn’t intercept that pass, but they don’t win it unless Browner repositions Butler moments before it, or if Hightower doesn’t stone Marshawn Lynch on the play before it. And there are hundreds of plays and moments throughout the season that ultimately lead to even getting to those final seconds. Brady and Belichick were the two most important pieces, and both are GOATS because of it, but so much more goes into their success, and arguing that it was just one or the other diminishes the contributions of all of those who really did contribute to it.

Thank you.

 

[sb1]

Brady is undisputed GOAT.

Bill is…disputed. Sorry but when you’re only .426 post Brady as a coach and much of the reason for that is your own doing on the roster building side…and 8 of 11 seasons without the GOAT QB are losing seasons.. that’s just as much part of your story as the side with the GOAT QB. Nobody should be shocked that some people are gonna question him because of it.

 

[sb1]

Bill was the one who put the great players and coaches around Brady to make the dynasty possible. He failed to build a winner when Brady left, and Brady won a Lombardi without him, so that helped create an either or narrative, but without Seymour, Wilfork, Mankins, Branch, Harrison, McCourty, Gronk, Edelman, Hightower, Weis, Crennel, Scarnecchia, MacDaniels, Adams and many others I haven’t named it wouldn’t have happened. Neither one coach or one player can win Lombardi’s on their own, but media and fans need a narrative to run with so they highlight the obvious while dismissing all those around them, and that’s just not the way it works. Just look at the Seattle Super Bowl, not only do they do not win that Super Bowl if Butler doesn’t intercept that pass, but they don’t win it unless Browner repositions Butler moments before it, or if Hightower doesn’t stone Marshawn Lynch on the play before it. And there are hundreds of plays and moments throughout the season that ultimately lead to even getting to those final seconds. Brady and Belichick were the two most important pieces, and both are GOATS because of it, but so much more goes into their success, and arguing that it was just one or the other diminishes the contributions of all of those who really did contribute to it.

There’s an argument to be made that Brady did it in Tampa. 7-9 and no playoff wins in 2 decades to SB champs after his arrival… that’s more than just a coincidence. He also brought talent in like Gronk and AB who were a huge part of it.

 

[Bill Lee]

Btw the most embarrassing part of this whole thread is a how signbabybrady has to pretend he actually gives a **** about UNC.

Just imagine if BB had gotten the Jete job he was said to be asking (begging?) for.

He'd have to switch the team he adores from:



to



Meanwhile, the rest of us get to stay Patriots fans.

 

[h0c2000]

+1. Bottom line is this: UNC was absolutely loaded last year and remain loaded this year.

Anything less than a playoff spot is an abysmal failure in Chapel Hill.

Absolutely, ESPN predicted 10-2 in 2024 for UNC football. No wonder Bill was talking to UNC while Mack Brown was still the coach.

 

[Huckleberry1]

No CC in

There’s an argument to be made that Brady did it in Tampa. 7-9 and no playoff wins in 2 decades to SB champs after his arrival… that’s more than just a coincidence. He also brought talent in like Gronk and AB who were a huge part of it.

That’s completely separate from the dynasty, and regardless of their prior record the Bucs were loaded that season. That takes nothing away from Brady, but it’s still a fact.

 

[signbabybrady]

There’s an argument to be made that Brady did it in Tampa. 7-9 and no playoff wins in 2 decades to SB champs after his arrival… that’s more than just a coincidence. He also brought talent in like Gronk and AB who were a huge part of it.

Brady calls it a no brainer.

 

[sb1]

No CC in


That’s completely separate from the dynasty, and regardless of their prior record the Bucs were loaded that season. That takes nothing away from Brady, but it’s still a fact.

Were they though? Most people myself included had doubts they would win the SB even after Tom got there. The Bucs were underdogs in the playoffs @ NO, @GB and even the Super Bowl at home. Loaded or super teams would probably get a lot more respect than that.

They also had zero all pros and 3 pro bowlers in 2019. Good team sure. Was that a “loaded” team? Not buying it.

 

[signbabybrady]

Just imagine if BB had gotten the Jete job he was said to be asking (begging?) for.

He'd have to switch the team he adores from:



to



Meanwhile, the rest of us get to stay Patriots fans.

Some **** just sucks and you find a way to live it with it. But Bill didn't put us in that position so there isn't need for any second thought. Go Heels!

 

[signbabybrady]

Were they though? Most people myself included had doubts they would win the SB even after Tom got there. The Bucs were underdogs in the playoffs @ NO, @GB and even the Super Bowl at home. Loaded or super teams would probably get a lot more respect than that.

They also had zero all pros and 3 pro bowlers in 2019. Good team sure. Was that a “loaded” team? Not buying it.

It was Brady's choice and Brady thought different lol.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Were they though? Most people myself included had doubts they would win the SB even after Tom got there. The Bucs were underdogs in the playoffs @ NO, @GB and even the Super Bowl at home. Loaded or super teams would probably get a lot more respect than that.

They also had zero all pros and 3 pro bowlers in 2019. Good team sure. Was that a “loaded” team? Not buying it.

We disagree. That receiving corps was excellent. And that has nothing to do with Belichick and the dynasty. I’m not going to get into Brady or Belichick argument with you because it’s as pointless as it is with signbabybrady. IMO both of you have gone way off the deep end, and I think the argument is total ********.

 

[sb1]

We disagree.

Yes we do. Fair enough.

That receiving corps was excellent.

That alone doesn’t make a team stacked though.

And that has nothing to do with Belichick and the dynasty. I’m not going to get into Brady or Belichick argument with you because it’s as pointless as it is with signbabybrady. IMO both of you have gone way off the deep end, and I think the argument is total ********.

Couldn’t tell you what he’s saying cause he’s on ignore. Bill’s coaching here at the end of his run quite frankly was absolutely terrible and there’s not much to debate about that, I also blame him for the current state of the roster and I think he’s embarrassed himself now with his whiny interview with Volin and of course running around with Bunny. That’s the extent of it, nothing more. I also believe that good players mean a lot more to a successful team than a good coach. In the world of Bill Pom Pom wavers all of that is “hate”. Lmao

 

[1960Pats]

We disagree. That receiving corps was excellent. And that has nothing to do with Belichick and the dynasty. I’m not going to get into Brady or Belichick argument with you because it’s as pointless as it is with signbabybrady. IMO both of you have gone way off the deep end, and I think the argument is total ********.

I don't think B vs B should be an either/or argument. That's been the problem. They were both important, just as Brady said.

The discussion turned sour when fans here complained about the Brady talk, forcing Ian to create a separate forum.

And then some fans (and a former mod) compounded the problem by trolling the Brady forum.

And now the HC and owner are taking swipes at each other. WTF?!?

It NEVER should have come to this.

 

[JoeSixPat]

+1. Bottom line is this: UNC was absolutely loaded last year and remain loaded this year.

Anything less than a playoff spot is an abysmal failure in Chapel Hill.

Everyone expects Belichick and UNC to dominate this game and this season - with the exception of the oddsmakers and betting public who have TCU as a favorite for this game and have the over/under for UNC this season at 7.5 wins

That's an improvement from last season when they were "loaded" with players and had 6 wins

I think there are 6 starters returning from that loaded team - BB brought in 30 recruits and 40 transfers for a total of 70 new players so it may be that he didn't think the team was quite as loaded as everyone else did - but if indeed they are just as loaded today, they look ready to carry on the tradition of double-digit win totals of UNC this century that everyone expects (it actually did happen once in 2015!)

No doubt you are correct that it's expected that BB will bring this team to the Cotton Bowl at the very least - anything less will be an abysmal failure given the winning tradition of Chapel Hill football.

 

[signbabybrady]

Several Sports Icons Expected To Attend Bill Belichick's College Coaching Debut

Michael Jordan is among the numerous sports stars who will reportedly attend Bill Belichick's first game as North Carolina's head coach.

nesn.com

Interest is high.

 

[h0c2000]

That alone doesn’t make a team stacked though.

Come one, those Bucs Defenses were stacked. 2018 31st in PPG, 2019 29th in PPG. . That's the most important metric.

That loaded team that was under .500 for 7 of the previous 8 seasons. That loaded team opened the season as 40:1 to win the SB. 2022 Pats were 37:1 to win the SB.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Yes we do. Fair enough.

That alone doesn’t make a team stacked though.

Couldn’t tell you what he’s saying cause he’s on ignore. Bill’s coaching here at the end of his run quite frankly was absolutely terrible and there’s not much to debate about that, I also blame him for the current state of the roster and I think he’s embarrassed himself now with his whiny interview with Volin and of course running around with Bunny. That’s the extent of it, nothing more. I also believe that good players mean a lot more to a successful team than a good coach. In the world of Bill Pom Pom wavers all of that is “hate”. Lmao

I agree with much of that, but you ignore the fact that the person who put all of those good players around Brady was Belichick. And just as he deserves the blame for the rosters he created post Brady, he deserves the credit for the rosters he created during their 20 year dynasty run. Absolutely no one would try to make the case that Brady wasn’t the most important player on the patriots during his time there, but he could not have won those Super Bowls on his own, just as he couldn’t have won the one in Tampa Bay on his own , even though he was also the most important player to their success.

I believe you know this and are capable of acknowledging this, but your feud with signbabybrady makes you unwilling to acknowledge what any intelligent Patriot fan knows, that it took Belichick, Brady, and a large number of very good to great players and coaches to have a 20 year Dynasty run. So do everyone, yourself included, a big favor and be the bigger man and put an end to this. Acknowledge what you certainly know is the truth, put signbabybrady on ignore, and give everyone else the mercy we all deserve. It would be a good way to start this season.