Patriots Player Departure OFFICIAL 2025 Patriots roster cutdown day discussion / tracker

[Ross12]

Personally speaking I am a little surprised Cole Strange is not on the PS. He is experienced and can backup at G and C, and his money is guaranteed regardless. Perhaps he is trying to find a job elsewhere.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

No they don't. Players from those drafts would be FAs and we would need cap space to sign them. We can use the same cap space to sign other guys, like Williams, etc. After 4 years, maybe 5 for a 1st round pick, it is a FA pool, the draft does not matter.

Generally agree except there is the twofold aspect of 1) the incumbency advantage of being able to resign your own players, sometimes at a discount, and 2) because of #1 the best players tend to get locked up, making the actual players available as FA to be a step down most of the time, and thus less likely to work out for the new team — especially when the incumbent team knows exactly his player’s full strengths, weaknesses, and motivations while the new team may not.

This is on the whole; we know on a case by case basis the results will and have differed (can’t exactly say the Dugger, Onwenu, or Bourne resignings from last year worked out well).

Point is, there is still a small residual effect from the 2020 and earlier drafts. But the real problems are the 2021 and forward drafts (2023 excepted to this point).

 

[RobertWeathers]

No they don't. Players from those drafts would be FAs and we would need cap space to sign them. We can use the same cap space to sign other guys, like Williams, etc. After 4 years, maybe 5 for a 1st round pick, it is a FA pool, the draft does not matter.

Lets play that out.

If you miss on a 1st rounder in 2020 that hurts the team 2020-2024. If you miss on a 2nd rounder that hurts the team 2020-2023.

If you cut said 2020 draftee in 2022 who would have been at a manageable salary, you now spend top dollar in 2023 FA which impacts you in 2023 and beyond.

F-up the draft the following year and every other year afterwards and the cascading effect of ****ty drafts is compounded.

 

[signbabybrady]

Damn I did

see that as a kid.

Lol nice. Me too. Cheesy and dumb but kinda fun in a this awful kind of way.

 

[PatsFan2]

Personally speaking I am a little surprised Cole Strange is not on the PS. He is experienced and can backup at G and C, and his money is guaranteed regardless. Perhaps he is trying to find a job elsewhere.

Maybe his playing Strength took a Big hit after that Injury. They had Benny Brown ahead of him all TC.

 

[Ross12]

IMO, the Pats have enough on the OL for now. They have all of their starters, a backup LT, backup RT, backup LG, and backup C who can also be a pinch hitter backup G, on the roster. Additionally, they have two Gs and one C on their PS who they can call up for game day up to 3 times each. Furthermore, their starting RG has flexibility to RT in the event that they are devastated by RT injuries, and their starting LG has flexibility to C too.

 

[sb1]

So essentially we still have 10-15 practice squad level players on our team.

Just imagine talent level on last year team.

Yep. Bill's roster building screwups along with Wolf's last season aren't an overnight fix.

 

[Toofy]

10-15 on the team? Do you mean on the 53? I wouldn’t go that far. We cut to 53 yesterday, cut Bourne and Baker as PS-level talent. Some could question if Westover, Mapu, and Pettus are good enough for a mediocre team’s 53. So that would be 48-51 NFL roster level players through this AM, or the equivalent of 2-5 PS level players on the 53. Not 10-15, but higher than the 0 we should be at.

In theory DeVito and Woods should be NFL-caliber, replacing Bourne and Baker; DeVito has won games in the league and looked better than Zappe doing so. But this is yet to be determined, really.

Pettus , Westover, mapu, Lowe, Wallace , dugger if his form doesn't improve, pharms, doubs to certain extent - so yeah close to 8 if we were being a bit critical.

 

[Ross12]

Maybe his playing Strength took a Big hit after that Injury. They had Benny Brown ahead of him all camp.

Definitely, but he at least knows the role... Knowing what to do and just being physically incapable of doing it at times is better than having a guy who's physically capable but has no idea what he's doing. Maybe he's just really that far gone. Or maybe the team simply really wants to develop the young guys more. I like Conley.

 

[TommyD4207]

Definitely, but he at least knows the role... Knowing what to do and just being physically incapable of doing it at times is better than having a guy who's physically capable but has no idea what he's doing. Maybe he's just really that far gone. Or maybe the team simply really wants to develop the young guys more. I like Conley.

It was obvious to me at least that he never recovered from his injury, and seemed a step slow no matter where/when they played him all preseason.

I hope he recovers, because he really did show some flashes at being a pretty good player, but as we're slowly learning this offseason, sometimes surgery doesn't fix everything. Sometimes players just don't really recover, even in today's day and age.

 

[203Pat]

Personally speaking I am a little surprised Cole Strange is not on the PS. He is experienced and can backup at G and C, and his money is guaranteed regardless. Perhaps he is trying to find a job elsewhere.

What is the point though? He can backup two spots but neither very well. If everything else was exactly the same except he was a 3rd/4th round pick no one would bat an eye or care what happens to him.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Patellar tendons are super dicey to return from. And he wasn’t spectacular before.

 

[Patsfan1645]

What is the point though? He can backup two spots but neither very well. If everything else was exactly the same except he was a 3rd/4th round pick no one would bat an eye or care what happens to him.

Its like the opposite of Baker...so much talk for a 4th rounder that didn't pan out.

 

[Ross12]

It was obvious to me at least that he never recovered from his injury, and seemed a step slow no matter where/when they played him all preseason.

I hope he recovers, because he really did show some flashes at being a pretty good player, but as we're slowly learning this offseason, sometimes surgery doesn't fix everything. Sometimes players just don't really recover, even in today's day and age.

Could be. He was always a good soldier, I'll be pulling for him. It's too bad and truly depressing that "STRANGE 69" is no longer gracing our turf.

 

[zydecochris]

I bet they gave him the heads-up yesterday which is why he cleansed his social media.

Agreed, I couldn't figure out why he took down all of his social media and stopped following the Patriots at cut-down if they were really going to keep him on the 53. In the past he hasn't shown the world's greatest maturity IMHO, but to his credit it sounds like he busted his butt to contribute on ST when he didn't set the world on fire as a WR (as he probably expected), good for him. That sounds like progress, PS sounds like the right place for him to develop a bit more.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Yep. Bill's roster building screwups along with Wolf's last season aren't an overnight fix.

Begs the question....

Is Wolf on a short leash in Foxboro? Vrabel seems to have total control of the roster. His only boss would be....Kraft?

 

[Patsfan1645]

Begs the question....

Is Wolf on a short leash in Foxboro? Vrabel seems to have total control of the roster. His only boss would be....Kraft?

 

[ViperGTS]

Personally speaking I am a little surprised Cole Strange is not on the PS. He is experienced and can backup at G and C, and his money is guaranteed regardless. Perhaps he is trying to find a job elsewhere.

He won't find one is my guess.

 

[zydecochris]

It was obvious to me at least that he never recovered from his injury, and seemed a step slow no matter where/when they played him all preseason.

I hope he recovers, because he really did show some flashes at being a pretty good player, but as we're slowly learning this offseason, sometimes surgery doesn't fix everything. Sometimes players just don't really recover, even in today's day and age.

Agreed. Patella surgery takes a long time to recover from, and as you say it doesn't aways fix everything. Perhaps he will be able to recover fully by next year, but he wouldn't be under contract with the Pats then anyway. I hope he can make a team next year.

 

[Ross12]

Begs the question....

Is Wolf on a short leash in Foxboro? Vrabel seems to have total control of the roster. His only boss would be....Kraft?

My guess is that Vrabel calls the shots, but Wolf "has final say" as far as being able to veto things if Vrabel goes off the reservation. That is to say - if Vrabel pulls a "**** the scouts, I'm drafting Cole Strange in the first round" or wants to trade 3 first round picks for a guy who is not remotely worth it. Wolf can say no. But otherwise, Wolf probably does what the Vrabel/Cowden brain trust says to do.