Looking ahead to cutdowns and waiver (EDIT: First names announced)

[Zuma]

 

[Hammer of Thor]

I feel like the media let us down today a bit. I couldn't find any reports about who was or was not at practice and who was or was not on the injured list. Nothing in my usual feeds. Only Romo was the first player on the field.

Of note: White and Mapu are speaking to the media after practice. This 99% means Mapu is on the roster and White isn't being traded.

Practice started at 2 today, and since the Vikings preseason game the media has only reported once practice has finished.

This is the last practice the media is allowed to witness this season, they can only see the very beginning of practice for the rest of the season.

 

[Ross12]

FYI all, we will probably start a new thread tomorrow to reset for cutdowns, since this thread has gotten pretty long and a bit off topic.

 

[Triumph]

There was no way the Cobra Commanders were letting him go.

Just as well.

How often to these big contracts pay off? Brandon Ayuks didnt.

Someday the Patriots will draft a WR like him. It lunacy to forfeit draft picks for a Vet player wanting his big payday when Washington would have drafted a WR on a rookie contract for 4 years.

 

[sb1]

Old friends Bailey Zappe and Joshuah Bledsoe waived today.

 

[sb1]

Michael Gallup waived by the Commanders. Knowing what he was a couple years ago... worth seeing what he's got?

 

[203Pat]

Michael Gallup waived by the Commanders. Knowing what he was a couple years ago... worth seeing what he's got?

His last season he went over 500 yards was 5 years ago. I don’t think he even played in a game last year.

 

[n1997y]

FYI all, we will probably start a new thread tomorrow to reset for cutdowns, since this thread has gotten pretty long and a bit off topic.

A thread here got a bit off topic?!?

I’m shocked!

 

[BobDigital]

You often hear about rotating players on the DLine to keep them fresh. To me this is usually kind of a BS line.

All teams tend to rotate their DL at about the same rate. You can rotate more of you want, but at some point you are just hurting yourself.

Let's say we keep 6 edge players and play all 6... Does it really make sense to give everyone an equal time share? Don't you want your best players out there? More doesn't always mean more... After all, having your best player out there every snap on the DLine will mean they will go half speed much of the time as they can't keep it up all game. But at some point less isn't more either. Why limit your best player's snaps needlessly? If they can give you 30-35 100% effort snaps a game, should we use less for some reason? Certainly not.

Nor should we use other guys less just for the sake of using them less. Use who is best in the situation as long as they can do the job the best at that moment. Nothing more, nothing less. Every team does this.

Every team tends to operate with the same philosophy. So saying White will be part of a rotation just side steps the question. He lost starting level reps cause he wasn't as good as the other guy. It's that simple.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

My guess is vrabel’s guys get priority. They already cut Robinson.

Posted before, but I'll state it again: Robinson was waived/injured. Waiving young players before putting them on IR in the preseason is a requirement the league put in place long ago to prevent teams from actually "Foxboro Flu"-ing healthy players.

If/when he gets an injury settlement, that'll be another matter, but he'll still be on the payroll if/when he clears waivers.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

A thread here got a bit off topic?!?

I’m shocked!

To borrow from a long-ago thread, all long threads on this site tend to turn into featureless blobs.

Said blobs would still be better QBs than JaMarcus Russell or better DLs than Vernon Gholston.

 

[mgteich]

1A) TB12 (until 2019)
1B) $25 mill / season
2) Belichick family reunion daily at Gillette

I agree.

I'm just a bit tired of hearing how Belichick got such a bad deal with all the Kraft's interfering.

IMO, Belichick had a fine deal for 24 years. He chose it and re-signed and extended many times, getting paid very, very well.

 

[Ross12]

Posted before, but I'll state it again: Robinson was waived/injured. Waiving young players before putting them on IR in the preseason is a requirement the league put in place long ago to prevent teams from actually "Foxboro Flu"-ing healthy players.

If/when he gets an injury settlement, that'll be another matter, but he'll still be on the payroll if/when he clears waivers.

I feel like it comes down to what the media chooses to say. With Larison, Dial and Polk the media generally said “player is going on IR” but for Robinson the phrase was “waived/injured” and people just focused on “waived”. In reality it’s all the same.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

So saying White will be part of a rotation just side steps the question. He lost starting level reps cause he wasn't as good as the other guy. It's that simple.

But Vrabel also said:

"I think when everything is said and done, the snaps are going to be pretty even and equal," Vrabel added.

Pretty clearly they wanted him to change something - I'm guessing more variation in his pass rush.

The rushers are a bit different - your two best corners are ideally always out there, but the rushers need some rotation.

 

[Bill Lee]

Ernie's retirement cannot be understated. He was half of Bill's brain IMO.

The part above the pants line?

1A) TB12 (until 2019)
1B) $25 mill / season
2) Belichick family reunion daily at Gillette

Every day was "Bring your kid to work day" at Gilette!

 

[Love The Drake]

Eagles release former first round bust Kenynan Green.

 

[Ring 6]

You often hear about rotating players on the DLine to keep them fresh. To me this is usually kind of a BS line.

All teams tend to rotate their DL at about the same rate. You can rotate more of you want, but at some point you are just hurting yourself.

Let's say we keep 6 edge players and play all 6... Does it really make sense to give everyone an equal time share? Don't you want your best players out there? More doesn't always mean more... After all, having your best player out there every snap on the DLine will mean they will go half speed much of the time as they can't keep it up all game. But at some point less isn't more either. Why limit your best player's snaps needlessly? If they can give you 30-35 100% effort snaps a game, should we use less for some reason? Certainly not.

Nor should we use other guys less just for the sake of using them less. Use who is best in the situation as long as they can do the job the best at that moment. Nothing more, nothing less. Every team does this.

Every team tends to operate with the same philosophy. So saying White will be part of a rotation just side steps the question. He lost starting level reps cause he wasn't as good as the other guy. It's that simple.

That’s not at all what he is saying.

 

[dliverey44]

Waived/Injured means that he's going to IR. It's a stupid f'in rule that they've had in place for more than 2 decades and it's prevent teams from "stashing".

Robinson will be on the IR and it has nothing to do with draft status.

They could give an injury settlement and then he would not be on the team/IR'd

 

[Wozzy]

You often hear about rotating players on the DLine to keep them fresh. To me this is usually kind of a BS line.

All teams tend to rotate their DL at about the same rate. You can rotate more of you want, but at some point you are just hurting yourself.

This is wholly talent dependent, if you have that much pass rush then use it. This also only works if your offense can score points and play from ahead.

The 2019 defense was a great example, I remember a graphic around midseason stating they rotated defenders at the highest rate in the NFL. Later when the offense started to struggle to score or play from ahead... the defense suffered. They couldn't pin their ears back and pass rush, team were running on them.

Bottom line is Milton Williams was paid a gazillion dollars, but he's not going to be playing a ridiculous amount of snaps. He's not built for that and frankly Keion White is a more old school traditional 3/4 type DE than a 4/3 end. It doesn't matter who starts, there will be a heavy rotation along the defensive front. Fresh and healthy is better than tired and bruised.

 

[Ross12]

This is wholly talent dependent, if you have that much pass rush then use it. This also only works if your offense can score points and play from ahead.

The 2019 defense was a great example, I remember a graphic around midseason stating they rotated defenders at the highest rate in the NFL. Later when the offense started to struggle to score or play from ahead... the defense suffered. They couldn't pin their ears back and pass rush, team were running on them.

Bottom line is Milton Williams was paid a gazillion dollars, but he's not going to be playing a ridiculous amount of snaps. He's not built for that and frankly Keion White is a more old school traditional 3/4 type DE than a 4/3 end. It doesn't matter who starts, there will be a heavy rotation along the defensive front. Fresh and healthy is better than tired and bruised.

Vrabel employs an attacking front, and those guys get tired relatively fast playing like that, so you gotta put in fresh bodies regularly.

I could see Barmore getting more snaps than his peers though just because he can do it all. Maybe not immediately, what with his medical circumstances, but ultimately.