Drake Maye - Are you concerned?

[DoubleDeluxe]

Yep, great points.

In the age of instant gratification and social media everyone starts stirring the pot and not looking at all the facts. Our local media and especially sports radio would much rather start click bait conspiracies than look at the facts. And again that's not to say the kid should be above criticism. It just needs to be balanced with facts from both sides.

Yup. He’s in his 4th new offense in 4 years, that’s not easy for anyone. He’s a young guy who was dealt a terrible rookie hand with the other 10 offensive guys that were on the field with him, and the dopes we called coaches last year. I will worry about him after 8 games this season if he hasn’t shown progress

 

[jlu52]

Obviously still a long way to go and a lot to prove but I don't know what people are watching if they don't see someone who has improved over last year. He's extremely athletic and has a great arm my excitement far outweighs my concern.

I regard your analysis as solid. You're there in the stands for most everything, it's all usually right in front of you. Let's go, Patriots!

 

[RobertWeathers]

Another point that just occurred to me is Maye is almost throwing to an entirely new crop of WR's aside from Pop who is also in a new system alone with the rest of the WR's and TE's. Only Bourne has experience with Josh and he hasn't been on the field since the first day of the Commanders week.

Right now our likely top WR's are Diggs, Hollis, Pop, Williams and Chism. All but pop is bew

Remember he played with Boutte last year as well. Right now hes in the top 3.

 

[TommyD4207]

The actual results are part and parcel of what you have to work with.
If you stick a QB with poor play concepts, bad play calling, the worst OL and weapons in the league, you can’t expect to compare him equally to other QBs in results.

Again, you can put as many caveats and excuses on it as you'd like.
I'm sure there's something to it.

But the results are the results. They still count.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I think we have to accept the fact that Drake Maye could just be mediocre QB at best. Many posters want to delay the inevitable by resetting his timeline, but he's in a league that favors offense and isn't facing gauntlets like players before him did. This also isn't Madden football where your franchise mode continues after your 20 year run with it's former QB by drafting the next great QB. It took the Bills 20 years to go from Jim Kelly to find Josh Allen. Dolphins didn't have anyone significant since Dan Marino until Tua was drafted in 2020. The best QB's the Jets have had since 1990's were Testeverde and Chad Pennington. After Joe Montana, KC had decent QB play with Trent Green an Alex Smith before landing Mahomes. 49ers had some good years with Jeff Garcia after Steve Young, but had mediocre to bad play since. The Bucs didn't have any good QB's until Tom arrived in 2020.

I see a lot of posters here fearing the Pats could enter the dreaded territory most of the NFL has been in for a long time and that is scrambling yearly to get wins.

 

[jlu52]

Lotta leeway there my dude. We could line up every Zamboni in North America side by side and we still wouldn't cover the distance between Wayne Gretzky and Marty McSorley

Or Mr. Robert Orr and anyone

 

[mgteich]

I think we have to accept the fact that Drake Maye could just be mediocre QB at best. Many posters want to delay the inevitable by resetting his timeline, but he's in a league that favors offense and isn't facing gauntlets like players before him did. This also isn't Madden football where your franchise mode continues after your 20 year run with it's former QB by drafting the next great QB. It took the Bills 20 years to go from Jim Kelly to find Josh Allen. Dolphins didn't have anyone significant since Dan Marino until Tua was drafted in 2020. The best QB's the Jets have had since 1990's were Testeverde and Chad Pennington. After Joe Montana, KC had decent QB play with Trent Green an Alex Smith before landing Mahomes. 49ers had some good years with Jeff Garcia after Steve Young, but had mediocre to bad play since. The Bucs didn't have any good QB's until Tom arrived in 2020.

I see a lot of posters here fearing the Pats could enter the dreaded territory most of the NFL has been in for a long time and that is scrambling yearly to get wins.

We should have drafted a potential backup QB to replace Milton. We should always have a backup with experience and a youngster for the future.

We replaced Brissett with Dobbs. I didn't like the choice but certainly can support Vrabel bringing in someone he knew he could trust and work with.

We didn't bring in someone of Milton's level. Why not?

 

[sb1]

I think we have to accept the fact that Drake Maye could just be mediocre QB at best. Many posters want to delay the inevitable by resetting his timeline, but he's in a league that favors offense and isn't facing gauntlets like players before him did. This also isn't Madden football where your franchise mode continues after your 20 year run with it's former QB by drafting the next great QB. It took the Bills 20 years to go from Jim Kelly to find Josh Allen. Dolphins didn't have anyone significant since Dan Marino until Tua was drafted in 2020. The best QB's the Jets have had since 1990's were Testeverde and Chad Pennington. After Joe Montana, KC had decent QB play with Trent Green an Alex Smith before landing Mahomes. 49ers had some good years with Jeff Garcia after Steve Young, but had mediocre to bad play since. The Bucs didn't have any good QB's until Tom arrived in 2020.

I see a lot of posters here fearing the Pats could enter the dreaded territory most of the NFL has been in for a long time and that is scrambling yearly to get wins.

Definitely very possible and should not be ruled out that Maye isn't the guy.

History tells us to be skeptical. Finding your franchise QB is very hard. The Bills are a great example of that. Or the Raiders who still haven't found their franchise QB since Gannon played for them over 20 years ago.

 

[Steve102]

I think we have to accept the fact that Drake Maye could just be mediocre QB at best. Many posters want to delay the inevitable by resetting his timeline, but he's in a league that favors offense and isn't facing gauntlets like players before him did. This also isn't Madden football where your franchise mode continues after your 20 year run with it's former QB by drafting the next great QB. It took the Bills 20 years to go from Jim Kelly to find Josh Allen. Dolphins didn't have anyone significant since Dan Marino until Tua was drafted in 2020. The best QB's the Jets have had since 1990's were Testeverde and Chad Pennington. After Joe Montana, KC had decent QB play with Trent Green an Alex Smith before landing Mahomes. 49ers had some good years with Jeff Garcia after Steve Young, but had mediocre to bad play since. The Bucs didn't have any good QB's until Tom arrived in 2020.

I see a lot of posters here fearing the Pats could enter the dreaded territory most of the NFL has been in for a long time and that is scrambling yearly to get wins.

Bradshaw to Big Ben
Elway to Manning
Aikman to .....

I think it's fair to reset his timeline now with the new regime, given his young age, but no more resets from here.

I think decent to good is what we should hope for. To your point, Favre to Rodgers is rare.

 

[Joey007]

There's been a lot of media chatter regarding Drake Maye not looking great. The spray throws, the missed reads. I fully anticipated that the transition to the JMcD system would take some time. Are you legitimately concerned or is this just media hype and unrealistic expectations that Maye should be looking like a top 5 QB early on in year two?

What does “concerned” even mean?

It can mean acknowledging he’s having growing pains, or mean you’re afraid he’s not the guy. Ask the question with a little more specifics, rather than do this click bait title.

 

[Joey007]

Definitely very possible and should not be ruled out that Maye isn't the guy.

History tells us to be skeptical. Finding your franchise QB is very hard. The Bills are a great example of that. Or the Raiders who still haven't found their QB since Gannon played for them over 20 years ago.

But this is not an answer we’re going to fully uncover this year, even if he flat out stinks it up.

In some ways, this is his rookie year in a real NFL offense. He’s getting year 3 regardless unless he commits a crime, or has a career ending injury.

There’s really no need to jump to conclusion on him yet, at all.

 

[Joey007]

I think we have to accept the fact that Drake Maye could just be mediocre QB at best. Many posters want to delay the inevitable by resetting his timeline, but he's in a league that favors offense and isn't facing gauntlets like players before him did. This also isn't Madden football where your franchise mode continues after your 20 year run with it's former QB by drafting the next great QB. It took the Bills 20 years to go from Jim Kelly to find Josh Allen. Dolphins didn't have anyone significant since Dan Marino until Tua was drafted in 2020. The best QB's the Jets have had since 1990's were Testeverde and Chad Pennington. After Joe Montana, KC had decent QB play with Trent Green an Alex Smith before landing Mahomes. 49ers had some good years with Jeff Garcia after Steve Young, but had mediocre to bad play since. The Bucs didn't have any good QB's until Tom arrived in 2020.

I see a lot of posters here fearing the Pats could enter the dreaded territory most of the NFL has been in for a long time and that is scrambling yearly to get wins.

No one is saying that’s impossible.

But saying it as an accepted reality because of some preseason inaccuracy, when we haven’t even began his second season, is ridiculous.

 

[mgteich]

Is this a reasonable bar for Drake, with his top 3 RB's totaling about 1750 yards?
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Yards 3801
TD's 22
INT 13
W-L 10-7, one and done in the payoffs
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TOTAL POINTS 462, 6th of 32 teams
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OBVIOUSLY, we would expect much more in 2026

 

[TheRainMaker]

No one is saying that’s impossible.

But saying it as an accepted reality because of some preseason inaccuracy, when we haven’t even began his second season, is ridiculous.

Many posters didn't want to hear the lack of arm strength Mac Jones had as well. They were fighting any posters that brought it up during his rookie season.

 

[PatsFan2]

Bradshaw to Big Ben
Elway to Manning
Aikman to .....

I think it's fair to reset his timeline now with the new regime, given his young age, but no more resets from here.

I think decent to good is what we should hope for. To your point, Favre to Rodgers is rare.

Bledsoe to Brady.

 

[signbabybrady]

I think we have to accept the fact that Drake Maye could just be mediocre QB at best. Many posters want to delay the inevitable by resetting his timeline, but he's in a league that favors offense and isn't facing gauntlets like players before him did. This also isn't Madden football where your franchise mode continues after your 20 year run with it's former QB by drafting the next great QB. It took the Bills 20 years to go from Jim Kelly to find Josh Allen. Dolphins didn't have anyone significant since Dan Marino until Tua was drafted in 2020. The best QB's the Jets have had since 1990's were Testeverde and Chad Pennington. After Joe Montana, KC had decent QB play with Trent Green an Alex Smith before landing Mahomes. 49ers had some good years with Jeff Garcia after Steve Young, but had mediocre to bad play since. The Bucs didn't have any good QB's until Tom arrived in 2020.

I see a lot of posters here fearing the Pats could enter the dreaded territory most of the NFL has been in for a long time and that is scrambling yearly to get wins.

Nothing you posted has anything to do with Maye. Maye is not going to fail because of Madden or because of how long it took the Jets, Bills, Dolphins, or Chiefs to find someone.

He's got a good set of skills and he's better now than he was at this point last year. He's going to succeed if he keeps getting better and nothing you mentioned has anything to do with that. Did you see something this summer that makes you think he's done growing?

 

[DC Patriots]

I think we have to accept the fact that Drake Maye could just be mediocre QB at best. Many posters want to delay the inevitable by resetting his timeline, but he's in a league that favors offense and isn't facing gauntlets like players before him did. This also isn't Madden football where your franchise mode continues after your 20 year run with it's former QB by drafting the next great QB. It took the Bills 20 years to go from Jim Kelly to find Josh Allen. Dolphins didn't have anyone significant since Dan Marino until Tua was drafted in 2020. The best QB's the Jets have had since 1990's were Testeverde and Chad Pennington. After Joe Montana, KC had decent QB play with Trent Green an Alex Smith before landing Mahomes. 49ers had some good years with Jeff Garcia after Steve Young, but had mediocre to bad play since. The Bucs didn't have any good QB's until Tom arrived in 2020.

I see a lot of posters here fearing the Pats could enter the dreaded territory most of the NFL has been in for a long time and that is scrambling yearly to get wins.

Maybe I’m misreading what you’re saying here. If what you’re saying is that there’s a possibility he could be a bust, well ya, there is. If what you’re saying is his ceiling is mediocre, I think it’s a bit early to make that call. New line, new skill players, new head coach, new OC with a complicated offense. And both the Commanders and Vikings are supposed to have good to great defenses.

I think folks need to relax a bit. It’s going to year with a lot of ups and downs. I don’t think we’re going to have a real sense of what we have with Maye until this time next year

 

[sb1]

No one is saying that’s impossible.

But saying it as an accepted reality because of some preseason inaccuracy, when we haven’t even began his second season, is ridiculous.

For me it's was always the strip sacks/fumbles that concerned me even more than his Ints. In the first preseason game it happened again. He did this at UNC too. I really believe there is a book out on him from tape where teams know there's a good chance they can get the ball out when they come after him.

That's up to the coaches to get that out of him.

 

[mgteich]

He's got a GOOD set of skills and he's better now than he was at this point last year. He's going to succeed if he keeps getting BETTER and nothing you mentioned has anything to do with that. Did you see something this summer that makes you think he's done growing?

Sure, I think that we all think that Maye has a GOOD set of skills and will BETTER THIS YEAR with Josh running the Offense. We even have hopes that our WR's will produce than Meyers, Bourne, and Agholor (the only 2021 WR's with more than 16 receptions; plus Henry then and now).
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That MIGHT be enough to be 10-7, with 3801 passing yards, 22 TD's and 13 interceptions.
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Isn't the issue whether Maye will do that AND whether he is capable of much, much more this year and/or in 2026 and 2027?

 

[Ring 6]

Yup. He’s in his 4th new offense in 4 years, that’s not easy for anyone. He’s a young guy who was dealt a terrible rookie hand with the other 10 offensive guys that were on the field with him, and the dopes we called coaches last year. I will worry about him after 8 games this season if he hasn’t shown progress

Being in a new offense that is effective and successful is better than being in the same old thoughtless, Mickey Mouse offense.