A hypothetical: what would a team have to offer to get Chism?

[ctpatsfan77]

First off, let me make it absolutely clear: I am not in favor of the idea.

That said, I've noted that Vikings fans in particular are starting to suggest the idea of trading for one of the Pats' surplus receivers, and more than a couple of them are taking the "if you can't beat 'em, get 'em" approach with Chism, even during the game. [Kwesi is their GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah.]



So my question is: let's say for the sake of argument, Mike Vrabel calls you and says "Some team just offered me [X] for Efton Chism. Would you make the deal?" What's the minimum you'd need to say yes?

 

[mayoclinic]

Micah Parsons.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I wouldn't make the trade because the Pats have had bad WR's since 2018.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

Justin “Jetta” Jefferson

 

[PWRxWLF]

He’s not available. May I interest you in a Kendrick? How about a Polk or Baker?

 

[signbabybrady]

2 firsts

 

[n1997y]

Pretty much anything mentioned.

But nothing less.

Except maybe a long-armed LT. Or two Pro Bowl IOL, C and LG.

 

[aluminum seats]

I think we’re all kind of gun-shy with how horrific the Pats have been with wide receivers we have no idea. Maybe he sucks so getting anything would be good. But we’re also are afraid if we trade him for a first he’ll end up being Jerry Rice. So honestly who the hell knows.

 

[Wozzy]

You can have Bourne for a late round pick…. and Polk for free, just eat his salary.

 

[Schmo]

Locked in for 3 years at higher pay (expectations) than some of our picks? Draft pick wise, consider a 4th, done deal for a third. Otherwise, not worth listening to an offer based on risk/reward.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Just like Bazooka Joe and the forum fools who said it has to be a first rounder.

 

[TommyD4207]

First off, let me make it absolutely clear: I am not in favor of the idea.

That said, I've noted that Vikings fans in particular are starting to suggest the idea of trading for one of the Pats' surplus receivers, and more than a couple of them are taking the "if you can't beat 'em, get 'em" approach with Chism, even during the game. [Kwesi is their GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah.]



So my question is: let's say for the sake of argument, Mike Vrabel calls you and says "Some team just offered me [X] for Efton Chism. Would you make the deal?" What's the minimum you'd need to say yes?

No ********? Jordan Addison. Even with the suspension. That might be enough to finagle it.

Edit: Like, Chism and a 4th for Addison. I think the Vikings are tired of his ****, but 23 year old receivers with big-time talent are hard to come by.

 

[BTTA]

Pretty much anything mentioned.

But nothing less.

Except maybe a long-armed LT. Or two Pro Bowl IOL, C and LG.

There will be several long armed tackles available on cut down day.

 

[VJCPatriot]

First off, let me make it absolutely clear: I am not in favor of the idea.

That said, I've noted that Vikings fans in particular are starting to suggest the idea of trading for one of the Pats' surplus receivers, and more than a couple of them are taking the "if you can't beat 'em, get 'em" approach with Chism, even during the game. [Kwesi is their GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah.]



So my question is: let's say for the sake of argument, Mike Vrabel calls you and says "Some team just offered me [X] for Efton Chism. Would you make the deal?" What's the minimum you'd need to say yes?

Naah I'm not trading Chism before we even know what we have with him. Imagine if the Patriots had given up on Edelman before he had even played an official snap for us? Because that's the kind of receiver he could be for us, really, really good.

 

[VJCPatriot]

No ********? Jordan Addison. Even with the suspension. That might be enough to finagle it.

Edit: Like, Chism and a 4th for Addison. I think the Vikings are tired of his ****, but 23 year old receivers with big-time talent are hard to come by.

Naah bro you're tripping. I'm not giving Chism PLUS a 4th for the Viking's problem child who is also currently suspended.

 

[TommyD4207]

Naah bro you're tripping. I'm not giving Chism PLUS a 4th for the Viking's problem child who is also currently suspended.

Addison's only 23...man, I'd give it some real thought.

 

[BobDigital]

Id say a second or third. Not that any team would offer that. How do you measure potential without results against any top competition?

Here is another way to think about it. Every team gets to run the draft again, knowing what they know now. Where do you think Chisn gets picked? That is his value.

Personally I'd use as 3rd on him. A second is a big ask with so many good players who have also showed potential and proven something against 1s. Maybe someone would use a second. Idk.

 

[Thelonious]

A couple of moons and a substantial star, I would hope. We'd be foollsh to part with so inexpensive a player with such intriguing upside.

 

[n1997y]

Locked in for 3 years at higher pay (expectations) than some of our picks? Draft pick wise, consider a 4th, done deal for a third. Otherwise, not worth listening to an offer based on risk/reward.

Id say a second or third. Not that any team would offer that. How do you measure potential without results against any top competition?

Here is another way to think about it. Every team gets to run the draft again, knowing what they know now. Where do you think Chisn gets picked? That is his value.

Personally I'd use as 3rd on him. A second is a big ask with so many good players who have also showed potential and proven something against 1s. Maybe someone would use a second. Idk.

Odds of hitting on a draft pick vary, depending on the source you use. See screenshot for one of the more optimistic projections I found. Other sources suggested the following:

Fourth round approximately 8% to 12%

Third round 15% to 20%

Second round maybe as high as 25% to 33%

So, based on what we’ve seen from Chism so far Schmo is willing to kick him to the curb for another roll of the dice with a roughly 10% to 15% chance of success.

And Bob thinks a roll of the dice with 25% to 33% probability of success is a big ask, but a redo with 15% to 20% probability of success is better than keeping Chism.

Really?

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

For me, so far Chism has shown no reason to think that the probability of success for anything below a high first is better than keeping him. So my answer to the OP is pick 15 overall or above, nothing lower.

 

[n1997y]

A couple of moons and a substantial star, I would hope. We'd be foollsh to part with so inexpensive a player with such intriguing upside.

Expensive or not that’s sunk cost. So it doesn’t matter. What matters is the upside, and the probability of success with him vs the probability of success on a redo. History says the latter is not very dependable.