Any Thoughts on Impacts of a Treveyon Henderson Holdout? (Update: He's Signed)

[Golfer58]

He’ll sign. That’s my thoughju

 

[Golfer58]

Owners have themselves to blame. Why does one team ruin it for everyone else? Next thing you know they’ll be guaranteeing undrafted free agent’s. One team screwed it up. There must of been leeway for one owner to buck the system. Owners need more checks and balances. Too late now.

 

[Sect140]

There's a slight difference between a 4/~$10M contract being fully guaranteed and 5/$230M fully guaranteed.

Moreover, it's not like it's a massive difference from last year. Ladd McConkey was drafted #34 (grrr), and got 4/$10M with about $9.2M of it fully guaranteed.

True about Watsons and the second rounders, however the owners would rather guarantee 92 percent of the contract than 100 percent of it. As someone already mentioned, next season it will be the third round draft picks, than the fourth round picks, I’m guessing most of the owners are dug in on this.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

True about Watsons and the second rounders, however the owners would rather guarantee 92 percent of the contract than 100 percent of it. As someone already mentioned, next season it will be the third round draft picks, than the fourth round picks, I’m guessing most of the owners are dug in on this.

That'll be on the owners, then. Right now, third-rounders get no guarantees beyond their signing bonus.

 

[n1997y]

NIL money isn't the only concern. Even without the NIL money, these guys could probably have gotten money by borrowing against their future contracts since NFL rookie contracts are slotted and what they will get their rookie season is pretty much guaranteed.

Who knows? But if I was a betting man, I would bet on the players caving before the owners.

what’s guaranteed is nothing until they sign their rookie contracts. They’ll be in a different boat if camp is halfway done, they still haven’t signed, and their banker makes a margin call.

You make some good points, especially about borrowing against future earnings

Makes their bankers have a vested interested in seeing them signed, doesn’t it? How are those loans going to look if they end up sitting the season out and re-entering the draft next year? From my days working in the banking industry I’d say that flies in the face of most bankers’ risk aversion.

 

[n1997y]

If you've been following the soap opera going on with the 2nd round picks in this year's draft you'll be aware that the majority of 2nd round picks are holding out for guaranteed contracts. The Texans are at the heart of this issue by giving Jayden Higgins (pick 34) a fully guaranteed deal and most people assume pick 40 Tyler Shough would be getting guaranteed money as a QB.

I'm hearing that Henderson is a likely camp holdout as would be many others. Fell free to opine on whether the owners and GMs are colluding or not, but I'm more concerned about not having Henderson in the fold early given the prominent role awaiting him in this offense especially as a receiving back.

Could mean more reps for Gibson and Larrison.

I think it hurts Henderson more than it hurts the Patriots.

It definitely benefits Larison and Gibson, but Larison much more because Gibson is a known quantity as a veteran.

 

[Rob0729]

what’s guaranteed is nothing until they sign their rookie contracts. They’ll be in a different boat if camp is halfway done, they still haven’t signed, and their banker makes a margin call.

Makes their bankers have a vested interested in seeing them signed, doesn’t it? How are those loans going to look if they end up sitting the season out and re-entering the draft next year? From my days working in the banking industry I’d say that flies in the face of most bankers’ risk aversion.

NFL agents can give players loans as long as they don’t use these loans to acquire them as clients. Most of these agencies can easily float hundreds of thousands of dollars or even millions for a few months while they are waiting for a deal. Or they can help to secure a loan from a lender.

And there are other lenders besides banks that do not have as stringent standards for guarantees.

 

[FortressX]

87.37% guaranteed

Second-rounder Alfred Collins, the 43rd overall pick, agrees to terms

The first of 30 round two dominoes falls.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[Huckleberry1]

He hasn’t held out, he was at the prior camps. They will figure out a deal.

 

[BobDigital]

I understand wanting the money. For many of these players this will be the most cash they ever see. They aren't getting second contracts worth a penny up front next time if they don't perform. May as well make as much as you can now

 

[Rob0729]

87.37% guaranteed

Second-rounder Alfred Collins, the 43rd overall pick, agrees to terms

The first of 30 round two dominoes falls.

www.nbcsports.com

This seems like a good compromise by both sides. A significant increase in guaranteed money,but not fully guaranteed.

 

[Sect140]

That'll be on the owners, then. Right now, third-rounders get no guarantees beyond their signing bonus.

Exactly and the owners want to keep it that way.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Tough sledding making millions coming out of College...at 21-26yrs old.
I feel ZERO Sympathy for these guys.

He doesn't want to sign? ****'em.

No sympathy for the players but you seem sympathetic with the owners' cause that they should be able to cut him to save some money if he gets hit wrong in training camp and his knee starts bending at a 90 degree angle out to the side.

It's insane how the narrative amongst fans is anti-player in favor of owners taking on less risk and pocketing more money. The entire premise of ownership in sports is that they deserve huge shares of the profits because of the huge financial risk they assume, but on any issue with players fans want the players to be the one holding onto the risk.

 

[Ian]

From Miguel:

"What does the Alfred Collins signing mean for TreVeyon Henderson and the Patriots? It sets the floor. Henderson's representatives will probably look to match the 10% increase in fully guaranteed amount going from 82.98% (2024 number) to at least 93%."

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[ctpatsfan77]

From Miguel:
"What does the Alfred Collins signing mean for TreVeyon Henderson and the Patriots? It sets the floor. Henderson's representatives will probably look to match the 10% increase in fully guaranteed amount going from 82.98% (2024 number) to at least 93%."

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He was #43, FWIW.

 

[maust]

The Bears signed pick 39, one after Henderson, still waiting on what % of his contract was guaranteed but that should narrow down Henderson's number

Bears agree to contract with second-round draft pick Shemar Turner

And then there were four.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The Bears signed pick 39, one after Henderson, still waiting on what % of his contract was guaranteed but that should narrow down Henderson's number

Bears agree to contract with second-round draft pick Shemar Turner

And then there were four.

www.nbcsports.com

Ummm . . . they took Luther Burden III at 39. They took Turner at 62, so his contract won't be of much relevance here. Roger Rosengarten, selected 62 last year, got 4 yr/$6.5M, with about 50% guaranteed.

 

[1960Pats]

In my opinion the players certainly have the right to optimize their contracts and owners have the right to pushback on fully guaranteed contracts for rookies, but that's not the game I'm interested in. If all NFL players got guaranteed money like baseball, the product on the field would surely suffer. The cap is one of the fundamental elements that has made the NFL the king of all sports with parody among all 32 franchises. Given that college players are getting paid now, this isn't a case of their one and only bite at the apple anymore.

All that being said, I hate when contract stuff affects my beloved Patriots. I wish we could go into training camp healthy and with everyone accounted for.

I generally favor players with contracts but once they sign on the dotted line then they should stick to that. If they don't want something then negotiate it into the contract.

 

[RxJock1120]

This is so asinine for a team to be at stalemate over like 700-800K and risk having a player not participate in training camp

 

[mgteich]

This is so asinine for a team to be at stalemate over like 700-800K and risk having a player not participate in training camp

LOL
Why not give every player a $700K bonus for attending training camp.

Henderson won't be the first or last to sign. He is likely to sign when the majority sign. He is not a leader in this action.

BTW, who is his agent? Is he close to any of the coaches?
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BTW, I'm fine with seeing more of Larison in camp.