Content Post Why does Wingspan matter for Tackles?

[pazrul72]

I do the same thing I am doing with you. I state my argument and hold you to a high bar of proof to change it.
I honestly don’t believe there is anything you can show me that would be legitimate. But I would read it and RESPOND TO IT. That is what I always do.
You have not “written pages with pictures” showing wingspan matters. You have given your opinion of Campbell, saying he is the best LT in college football but since he isn’t “dominant” it must be wingspan. Hint here: the job of the assessment would be to determine why, not guys at reasons that don’t exist and say “oh well must be wingspan”.

It is a matter of about an inch because wingspan it both sides. His reach is 1-1. 1/2 inches different.

And you end the post not talking about facts but talking about me and say “try having a conversation about facts”. Your posts have no fact in them, you simply are resorting to “I dint need to give facts because you argue with people so I won’t give any of the facts that I don’t have”.

Seriously? I asked you 20+ exchange ago to show me clips of plays where wingspan made it broke the play. Or describe something a OT does that requires that extra inch of reach. You have refused to and just keep posting about me and saying this like “yes it matters” with no facts, explanation or evidence.

You are doing exactly what someone losing an argument does, avoiding facts and diverting attention from your argument by saying things about me.

Let me respond to you last paragraph so we are clear. I find you to entirely lack knowledge about football. I think you are wrong in that vast majority of your opinions. And I could not care less what you think of me, it is virtually the last important thing in the world to me. You are an anonymous person who has poor communication skills and often act like a ****. I consider your criticism toward me, in addition to being a tool to divert from how wrong you are, to be a complement based upon the source.

I respond to people who post fact based opinions. I tell people who post no it doesn't matter cuz I said so to pound sand. Pot. Kettle. Amazing

 

[signbabybrady]

And unlikely any of that happens if Butler played especially anything involving Rowe and even the Eagles noticed. The defense that was on the field that night was far from the best defense that could have been put out there.

Don't know if it was that egregious as that other Super Bowl but yeah funny how the rules for a catch were somehow changed on the fly in a Super Bowl.

Brady's first read was downfield and that's where he was looking after the snap not out to the flat where White was. Don't know if that was an audible by Tom or the playcall that came in but I think they could have been more patient instead of looking for the home run play that they didn't need yet. By the time TB12 saw White it was too late, Brady stepped up to avoid a rusher because of the blown protection but didn't see Graham. Bad things tend to happen to QB's in that spot who get hit when they don't expect it.

Regardless it seems silly to me to say Brady lost the game. He only threw for 500+ yards, 3 TD and 0 INT, a 500 yard performance has never been done before in a SB. And some folks trash Butler because they can't criticize their hoodied hero for anything. Lol

Yep, plus all the noise around the team. "...since Spygate" woulda been insufferable. That might have been the most important SB win of the 6 for the legacy of both Tom and Bill.

People say it was genius that Bill didn't call the TO... it sure wouldn't have been talked about like that if they scored there. I agree there would have been a lot of hard conversations happening in Foxboro when that happened.

Compare the Butler game to playing Troy at CB in 04. If Bill doesn't have the guts to try one of his star receivers at CB and rely on the depth that he coached up we don't win SB39. You can't just blindly rely on players just because they have a certain label wether it be WR or CB1.

You're the kind of hypocrite who probably liked Bill's next man up mantra until it didn't unfold how you expected.

 

[State]

OTs need to be tall, athletic, nfl strong, have big butts (sand in the pants), and, yes, arm length needs to be longer than Will Campbell’s. 33” minimum.

Why the Patriots didn’t take a flier on a guy like Kansas’s Logan Brown is a head scratcher. Guy is a type 2 diabetic and had a limited body of work after transferring from Wisconsin. But the former five star high school player has the length, size, and athleticism. Compelling on paper.

Vrabs is committed to Campbell being a foundational piece moving forward at LT. Just like Skoronski. Playing the tune again.

 

[Ring 6]

I respond to people who post fact based opinions. I tell people who post no it doesn't matter cuz I said so to pound sand. Pot. Kettle. Amazing

You offer no facts. Just “so if he isn’t lazy all that’s left is wingspan”
My facts are that you can’t show me a play where wingspan made the difference or even describe reasonably how it would, because it doesn’t exist.
If you were right, you would show it. Instead you say you could but you don’t want to. Weak.

 

[pazrul72]

You offer no facts. Just “so if he isn’t lazy all that’s left is wingspan”
My facts are that you can’t show me a play where wingspan made the difference or even describe reasonably how it would, because it doesn’t exist.
If you were right, you would show it. Instead you say you could but you don’t want to. Weak.

My entire op was facts, that you don’t see that, despite others agreeing it was a fair, balanced, and informative post, is a you problem. I’m not the one lying about facts to make my argument, you are.

 

[signbabybrady]

You offer no facts. Just “so if he isn’t lazy all that’s left is wingspan”
My facts are that you can’t show me a play where wingspan made the difference or even describe reasonably how it would, because it doesn’t exist.
If you were right, you would show it. Instead you say you could but you don’t want to. Weak.

It's called science. Length = leverage.

Mechanical Advantage: The effectiveness of a lever in amplifying force is measured by its mechanical advantage. The mechanical advantage of a lever is calculated by dividing the length of the effort arm (the distance from the fulcrum to where the input force is applied) by the length of the load arm (the distance from the fulcrum to where the load is applied).

 

[aluminum seats]

Compare the Butler game to playing Troy at CB in 04. If Bill doesn't have the guts to try one of his star receivers at CB and rely on the depth that he coached up we don't win SB39. You can't just blindly rely on players just because they have a certain label wether it be WR or CB1.

You're the kind of hypocrite who probably liked Bill's next man up mantra until it didn't unfold how you expected.

There’s galaxies of difference between experimenting with secondary combinations due to injury within a season, and benching a guy who played 100% of the snaps you got to the Super Bowl with

 

[signbabybrady]

There’s galaxies of difference between experimenting with secondary combinations due to injury within a season, and benching a guy who played 100% of the snaps you got to the Super Bowl with

There's certainly many factors but in each case confidence that you've coached the depth and that they are ready to step up is part of it. You have to be prepared to use your depth if your guy had a bad week and wasn't prepared himself. Earthwind and Troy did better than Rowe and Bethel.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Campbell was the #4 pick, and Mankins was the #32 pick. Not similar, but you knew that.

The only similarity would be that Campbell would have as successful a career as Mankins.

But you make my point perfectly.

If Campbell were an all-pro and member of the Patriots Hall of Fame as a LG, a GREAT many Patsfans here would declare him a "bust" because he was drafted 28 spots higher than Mankins.

 

[Ring 6]

My entire op was facts, that you don’t see that, despite others agreeing it was a fair, balanced, and informative post, is a you problem. I’m not the one lying about facts to make my argument, you are.

Nothing in your OP is fact. Do you not understand the difference between fact and opinion?

And your entire post is about footwork, then you say THAT is why wingspan matters.
Even your opinions don’t support that wingspan matters. You included pictures that have nothing to do with wingspan.


Is this an example of what you consider a fact?

I'm not an engineer so I don't know the exact math but I'm sure someone has done it. 3 inches of reach adds up to like a yard of blocking.

However in the spirit of trying to understand can you please identify which statements in your OP you consider FACT and which of those you think prove wingspan matters?
Hopefully you won’t do another “I can but I don’t want to” cop out.

 

[Ring 6]

There’s galaxies of difference between experimenting with secondary combinations due to injury within a season, and benching a guy who played 100% of the snaps you got to the Super Bowl with

There are also galaxies of difference between disciplining a player, or determining he is not mentally capable of playing, and just choosing to sit them.

 

[Ring 6]

My entire op was facts, that you don’t see that, despite others agreeing it was a fair, balanced, and informative post, is a you problem. I’m not the one lying about facts to make my argument, you are.

And exactly what fact did I lie about.

 

[sb1]

Compare the Butler game to playing Troy at CB in 04. If Bill doesn't have the guts to try one of his star receivers at CB and rely on the depth that he coached up we don't win SB39. You can't just blindly rely on players just because they have a certain label wether it be WR or CB1.

You're the kind of hypocrite who probably liked Bill's next man up mantra until it didn't unfold how you expected.

Ya the Super Bowl isn’t exactly the right time to “try” anything. He benched him for disciplinary or spiteful reasons and it bit his team in the butt. Period

 

[sb1]

There are also galaxies of difference between disciplining a player, or determining he is not mentally capable of playing, and just choosing to sit them.

The mental thing is just an excuse. If that was the case he would have been told a long time before kickoff not to get dressed.

 

[signbabybrady]

Ya the Super Bowl isn’t exactly the right time to “try” anything. He benched him for disciplinary or spiteful reasons and it bit his team in the butt. Period

Those are 2 different things period. So you have no clue what you're talking about yet have no problem leaping to conclusions. Your opinions are biased and useless period.

 

[aluminum seats]

The mental thing is just an excuse. If that was the case he would have been told a long time before kickoff not to get dressed.

I swear the guys still holding onto their defense of benching Butler in the Super Bowl are like Japanese soldiers in the wilderness after World War II still thinking the war was going on. It’s over. Belichick ****ed up.

 

[sb1]

Those are 2 different things period. So you have no clue what you're talking about yet have no problem leaping to conclusions. Your opinions are biased and useless period.

No they’re not that different. Both are very bad reasons to bench a guy who took all your teams snaps in a fn Super Bowl.

 

[Ring 6]

The mental thing is just an excuse. If that was the case he would have been told a long time before kickoff not to get dressed.

My opinion is that based upon preparation and discipline he was demoted to CB4 and when told he broke down, and they felt he wasn’t mentally prepared to play so he was an active scratch.

 

[Ring 6]

No they’re not that different. Both are very bad reasons to bench a guy who took all your teams snaps in a fn Super Bowl.

Why in the would the coach who won more SBs than anyone and gave credit to the players every time he was asked spitefully bench a player? What could possibly be the cause for spite? Why would that sane coach sign that same player again.

 

[Ring 6]

I swear the guys still holding onto their defense of benching Butler in the Super Bowl are like Japanese soldiers in the wilderness after World War II still thinking the war was going on. It’s over. Belichick ****ed up.

We still don’t know the reason. If the reason were, as most believe, discipline, arguably keeping the integrity of discipline is non negotiable.