The Bill megathread (HC at UNC, girlfriend, etc.)

[sb1]

Just one time huh that's interesting.

Funny what happens when a coach benefits from the greatest QB who ever lived huh?

Knoll or Laundry didn't do so well at the end of their runs just to name a few.

They didn't fall off the cliff like Bill did.

 

[XLIX]

On the flip side has a HOF bound coach ever fallen off without their star QB the way Bill did after Brady left? I can't think of any.

I certainly can't think of any either. In every case I can think of, the HC did fall off - but not completely **** the bed the way Belichick did.

Lombardi left GB for Washington and gave them their first winning season in 15 years. The future was bright before Lombardi's tragic death that offseason.

Bill Walsh doesn't have any "after Montana" experience at the pro level.

Tom Landry and Don Shula have very similar career trajectories. They each won a pair of Super Bowls and kept coaching afterwards for years without winning one again, but were very much in contention more than once.

Chuck Noll was still respectable after Bradshaw left. Like the above there were no more championships, but there were a couple playoff wins in there and a trip to a CCG.

 

[Wozzy]

On the flip side has a HOF bound coach ever fallen off without their star QB the way Bill did after Brady left? I can't think of any.

Pretty much every HOF coach in history without at least a competent QB had a losing record that season. That’s how football works. In other news water is wet and the sky is blue.

 

[signbabybrady]

Funny what happens when a coach benefits from the greatest QB who ever lived huh?

That's a 2 way street.

They didn't fall off the cliff like Bill did.

How many SBs did they win combined in each of their last ten years as a HC?
*Hint it's less than Bill did on his own.

How many double digit winning seasons in their last 5 years as HC combined?
*Hint it's less than Bill did on his own.

 

[sb1]

Pretty much every HOF coach in history without at least a competent QB had a losing record that season. That’s how football works. In other news water is wet and the sky is blue.

There's a "losing record" and then there's a .426 record after your star QB leaves cumulating with 4-13. Not the same thing

 

[signbabybrady]

I certainly can't think of any either. In every case I can think of, the HC did fall off - but not completely **** the bed the way Belichick did.

Lombardi left GB for Washington and gave them their first winning season in 15 years. The future was bright before Lombardi's tragic death that offseason.

Bill Walsh doesn't have any "after Montana" experience at the pro level.

Tom Landry and Don Shula have very similar career trajectories. They each won a pair of Super Bowls and kept coaching afterwards for years without winning one again, but were very much in contention more than once.

Chuck Noll was still respectable after Bradshaw left. Like the above there were no more championships, but there were a couple playoff wins in there and a trip to a CCG.

Bill has more wins than Lombardi without Starr or Walsh without Montana.

And see previous posts regarding the end for Noll or Landry.

You guys just enjoy searching for ways to hate BB even if it's not accurate.

 

[Wozzy]

That's a 2 way street.

How many SBs did they win combined in each of their last ten years as a HC?
*Hint it's less than Bill did on his own.

How many double digit winning seasons in their last 5 years as HC combined?
*Hint it's less than Bill did on his own.

Tom had Bruce Arians fired and a team that went 24-9 the previous two seasons went 8-9.

 

[signbabybrady]

 

[sb1]

I certainly can't think of any either. In every case I can think of, the HC did fall off - but not completely **** the bed the way Belichick did.

Lombardi left GB for Washington and gave them their first winning season in 15 years. The future was bright before Lombardi's tragic death that offseason.

Bill Walsh doesn't have any "after Montana" experience at the pro level.

Tom Landry and Don Shula have very similar career trajectories. They each won a pair of Super Bowls and kept coaching afterwards for years without winning one again, but were very much in contention more than once.

Chuck Noll was still respectable after Bradshaw left. Like the above there were no more championships, but there were a couple playoff wins in there and a trip to a CCG.

Exactly. There's falling off and then there's the cliff of a .426 W-L record and 1 playoff demolition loss after your star QB leaves. Embarrassing.

I also don't think Joe Gibbs gets enough credit for his 2007 season with Washington. Jason Campbell was his QB. The Pats whipped them like they did almost every other team that season but other than that game every one of his team's losses were by 1 score or less. Won their last 4 games to get to 9-7 and a playoff berth. Awesome coach.

 

[Wozzy]

There's a "losing record" and then there's a .426 record after your star QB leaves cumulating with 4-13. Not the same thing

Joe Montana went 2-6 his first two years with Bill Walsh.

Drew Brees led the entire NFL in passing three years in a row on a top five scoring offense, his defenses were ranked at or near 32nd worst… those teams went 7-9, 7-9 and 7-9.

The Patriots went an entire decade without winning a ring with Brady and Bill. Winning rings is hard.

After Brady left Jonathan and the collaboration took over personnel, started making coaching hires and hassled the head coach. That was a collaborative effort.

It’s a team sport, watching the haters here try to diminish to accomplishments of the team they claim to root for is like watching a labradoodle try to hump a basketball.

You must have been cheer squad captain back in high school while others were out there playing.

 

[signbabybrady]

Tom had Bruce Arians fired and a team that went 24-9 the previous two seasons went 8-9.

Exactly. There's falling off and then there's the cliff of a .426 W-L record and 1 playoff demolition loss after your star QB leaves. Embarrassing.

I also don't think Joe Gibbs gets enough credit for his 2007 season with Washington. Jason Campbell was his QB. The Pats whipped them like they did almost every other team that season but other than that game every one of his team's losses were by 1 score or less. Won their last 4 games to get to 9-7 and a playoff berth. Awesome coach.

Brady's only losing season as a starter came without Belichick.

 

[signbabybrady]

How many Coaches have 8 rings?
How many coaches have appeared in 12 SBs?
How many HC have 6 rings?
How many HC have appeared in 9 SBs?

 

[Wozzy]

Brady's only losing season as a starter came without Belichick.

Eli Manning didn’t win **** without Tom Coughlin.

This conversation is dumb and initiated by clueless people who never played actual team sports at even the pee wee level.

 

[sb1]

Brady's only losing season as a starter came without Belichick.

And Belichick was 4-13 in his final season with Brady gone. Couldn't even beat Mayo's season lol. Yikes.

I also love how Team Bill talks down Brady's last season as if he wasn't 45 years old doing things at that age no other QB has come close to doing in the history of the game.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

In every case I can think of, the HC did fall off - but not completely **** the bed the way Belichick did... Tom Landry... Don Shula... Chuck Noll.

I think the salary cap era changes that. Bill finally caved in to the idea of pushing cap into the future to get more out of TB12 at 40 and the team as a whole. Brady leaving, bad draft picks, AND paying the cap hell piper all contributed to the cliff.

Pre-cap you could write all the checks you wanted and keep anyone you wanted, even overpaying, as long as the owner was willing to sign the checks.

 

[Wozzy]

In order of championships:
Paul Brown
Bill Belichick
George Halas
Curly Lambeau
Vince Lombardi

In order of playoff wins:
Bill Belichick
Vince Lombardi
Paul Brown
George Halas
Curly Lambeau

In order of playoff win percentage:
Vince Lombardi
Bill Belichick
George Halas
Curly Lambeau
Paul Brown

In order of regular season games over 500:
George Halas
Bill Belichick
Paul Brown
Curly Lambeau
Vince Lombardi

Years in the playoffs:
Bill Belichick
Paul Brown
George Halas
Vince Lombardi
Curly Lambeau

There's only one guy on this list above who is ranked first or second in every category.

He won 31 playoff games, the next closest won 9.

Dumb thread propagated by petty foolish people.

 

[sb1]

In order of championships:
Paul Brown
Bill Belichick (with the GOAT as his QB)
George Halas
Curly Lambeau
Vince Lombardi

In order of playoff wins:
Bill Belichick (with the GOAT as his QB for all but 1)
Vince Lombardi
Paul Brown
George Halas
Curly Lambeau

In order of playoff win percentage:
Vince Lombardi
Bill Belichick (with the GOAT as his QB)
George Halas
Curly Lambeau
Paul Brown

In order of regular season games over 500:
George Halas
Bill Belichick (with the GOAT as his QB. He is way below .500 without him)
Paul Brown
Curly Lambeau
Vince Lombardi

Years in the playoffs:
Bill Belichick (with the GOAT as his QB for all but 2 seasons. 1-2 record without him)
Paul Brown
George Halas
Vince Lombardi
Curly Lambeau

FIFY. Important to call out what BB had that none of those other coaches had.

 

[XLIX]

I think the salary cap era changes that. Bill finally caved in to the idea of pushing cap into the future to get more out of TB12 at 40 and the team as a whole. Brady leaving, bad draft picks, AND paying the cap hell piper all contributed to the cliff.

There's only so much you can use that excuse. If you want to give him a break for 2020, fine.... but he was here 4 years after Brady. They had a slight improvement year two, but a severe decline years 3 and 4. Brady's 2019 cap number didn't cause 2023 and 2024.

 

[Wozzy]

FIFY. Important to call out what BB had that none of those other coaches had.

Important to call out what Brady had that all those other QB’s didn’t.

Tell us you have no clue how team sports work without actually telling us.

 

[signbabybrady]