The Bill megathread (HC at UNC, girlfriend, etc.)

[sb1]

Bill's buyout cost drops to $1M this Sunday. Wouldn't surprise me if Bunny orders him to pay it and walk.

 

[sb1]

Comparing the worst %33 of someones career to someone else's entire career is biased.

You're talking like we're cherry picking. It's not cherry picking when the "worst" part of his career is the exact same part of his career where he didn't have the GOAT QB's services. Which is the topic at hand.

 

[sb1]

Was this Bunny's idea too?

Source: Bill Belichick inquired about Jets coaching vacancy

Bill Belichick, who quit the Jets in 2000, tormented them for two decades as Patriots coach and recently made critical comments about owner Woody Johnson, personally reached out to inquire about the team's head-coach opening, a source confirmed to ESPN.

www.espn.com

 

[signbabybrady]

 

[signbabybrady]

You're talking like we're cherry picking. It's not cherry picking when the "worst" part of his career is the exact same part of his career where he didn't have the GOAT QB's services. Which is the topic at hand.

Cherry picking - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[XLIX]

You're talking like we're cherry picking. It's not cherry picking when the "worst" part of his career is the exact same part of his career where he didn't have the GOAT QB's services. Which is the topic at hand.

Some people just aren't smart enough to understand the above.

 

[signbabybrady]

Some people just aren't smart enough to understand the above.

 

[XLIX]

Was this Bunny's idea too?

Source: Bill Belichick inquired about Jets coaching vacancy

Bill Belichick, who quit the Jets in 2000, tormented them for two decades as Patriots coach and recently made critical comments about owner Woody Johnson, personally reached out to inquire about the team's head-coach opening, a source confirmed to ESPN.

www.espn.com

Every time I think Belichick can't humiliate himself any further, he always finds a way to go a little lower with his own dignity

 

[XLIX]

Bill's buyout cost drops to $1M this Sunday. Wouldn't surprise me if Bunny orders him to pay it and walk.

Such a move would be so sleazy and so beyond the pale, that it would not only completely destroy what little reputation the man has left, but it could also screw over his children. The very name of "Belichick" will be one verboten by both the colleges and the pros.

 

[signbabybrady]

Bill's buyout cost drops to $1M this Sunday. Wouldn't surprise me if Bunny orders him to pay it and walk.

Every time I think Belichick can't humiliate himself any further, he always finds a way to go a little lower with his own dignity

Such a move would be so sleazy and so beyond the pale, that it would not only completely destroy what little reputation the man has left, but it could also screw over his children. The very name of "Belichick" will be one verboten by both the colleges and the pros.

 

[sb1]

That triggered huh?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Was this Bunny's idea too?

Source: Bill Belichick inquired about Jets coaching vacancy

Bill Belichick, who quit the Jets in 2000, tormented them for two decades as Patriots coach and recently made critical comments about owner Woody Johnson, personally reached out to inquire about the team's head-coach opening, a source confirmed to ESPN.

www.espn.com

Well.....Toes...Green.

I don't think there is any question.

 

[XLIX]

That triggered huh?

It is obvious how angry I make him. He responds to every post I make, even ones not directed to him.

 

[signbabybrady]

That triggered huh?

It is obvious how angry I make him. He responds to every post I make, even ones not directed to him.

 

[lancerman]

Not only are you a liar but you're completely disingenuous.

In order to create fair statistical analysis you need to address your bias. Comparing the worst %33 of someones career to someone else's entire career is biased. Repeating your thesis doesn't remove this bias. It only highlights how disingenuous you are.

The problem you run into is that the 33% is actually longer than some HOF coaches full careers.

For years we were told that the Cleveland years should be ignored and that 2008 is a better reflection of what Bill is without Brady. But now with hindsight, we saw another 4 years of Bill without Brady, and it looks far closer to the Cleveland years than 2008, and 2008 looks more like Bill not making the playoffs with a stacked team because his QB was gone.

Now there is a fair aspect to this to say, Cleveland Bill and post Brady Patriots Bill were really lacking in the QB department and were below average there so it's harder to compare him to someone Reid without Mahomes because Reid's average QB was still better outside of Mahomes.

But you can't really do that and then say Bill and Brady were both essentially equal in value to the dynasty. Especially when Brady won a SB right away without Bill and then had another MVP caliber year the next season and then still made the playoffs (something Bill only did twice in 11 years) with a third HC in Todd Bowles.

It would be one thing if that 33% was like 2-3 seasons. It wasn't. It was 5 in Cleveland, 1 in New England at the starter, one in the middle, and 4 at the end. It's a lot of time and multiple stages of his career.

That doesn't mean he was irrelevant or didn't play a significant role. But it's not wrong to say Brady was far and away the the more important piece in that equation. Even the culture that persisted for 20 years pretty much evaporated with Brady there to give the a team a standard to live up to.

The results just speak for themselves. Brady was a winner before and after Belichick. Belichick was very similar to the guy he was before and after Brady. Had Belichick had a better QB, he probably would have looked more respectable in those years, but it also highlights who was the engine and who was the wheels.

 

[sb1]

Yes Bill when working with Tom won a lot…nobody is saying anything different.

 

[XLIX]

Yes Bill when working with Tom won a lot…nobody is saying anything different.

Absolutely. And when they separated, only one of them continued winning.

 

[signbabybrady]

The problem you run into is that the 33% is actually longer than some HOF coaches full careers.

For years we were told that the Cleveland years should be ignored and that 2008 is a better reflection of what Bill is without Brady. But now with hindsight, we saw another 4 years of Bill without Brady, and it looks far closer to the Cleveland years than 2008, and 2008 looks more like Bill not making the playoffs with a stacked team because his QB was gone.

Now there is a fair aspect to this to say, Cleveland Bill and post Brady Patriots Bill were really lacking in the QB department and were below average there so it's harder to compare him to someone Reid without Mahomes because Reid's average QB was still better outside of Mahomes.

But you can't really do that and then say Bill and Brady were both essentially equal in value to the dynasty. Especially when Brady won a SB right away without Bill and then had another MVP caliber year the next season and then still made the playoffs (something Bill only did twice in 11 years) with a third HC in Todd Bowles.

It would be one thing if that 33% was like 2-3 seasons. It wasn't. It was 5 in Cleveland, 1 in New England at the starter, one in the middle, and 4 at the end. It's a lot of time and multiple stages of his career.

That doesn't mean he was irrelevant or didn't play a significant role. But it's not wrong to say Brady was far and away the the more important piece in that equation. Even the culture that persisted for 20 years pretty much evaporated with Brady there to give the a team a standard to live up to.

The results just speak for themselves. Brady was a winner before and after Belichick. Belichick was very similar to the guy he was before and after Brady. Had Belichick had a better QB, he probably would have looked more respectable in those years, but it also highlights who was the engine and who was the wheels.

Just do the same Math for everyone else if you want to erase 2/3s I don't know what value that list would bring but it would be equivalent.

And as far as credit goes for the Dynasty Brady was the QB that gets more credit. I'd probably say %21 Brady, %19 Bill, and %60 the rest of the players and coaches. That's what you Brady v Bill Nuts Os don't get you can't separate the two they are forever linked as a duo.

 

[signbabybrady]

Absolutely. And when they separated, only one of them continued winning.

After being coached for 20 years and being taught everything he needed to be able to go do it. The Bucs should probably give Bill his 9th ring if you're being honest (Tenth counting Jordon's).

 

[signbabybrady]

Yes Bill when working with Tom won a lot…nobody is saying anything different.

That's literally what you guys are doing when you strip 2/3s of his career and start comparing him to Rex Ryan. But keep telling yourself that's not what you're doing. Delusional.