When do you think Mayo was fired [after]? (Arizona, Chargers or Bills game)

[varjao]

Watching the Forged series and trying to wonder if Kraft is still running the show or just for appearances (with Jonathan running behind the curtains) I wonder when the decision was made.

I think these 3 games, the Cardinals game, Chargers and Bills (last game) , probably a sum of everything produced this decision because they were all awful on full display games, obviously from a legal/HR standpoint it was the last game when they won the Bills they announced the decision but, do you think it was really decided at that moment or previously?

I think the way Jonathan was behaving in the owners box is very telling, the team was coming from a bye and looked totally unprepared, I think he said "daddy enough!". Thunder looked like he couldn't believe in that too.

But at that point there was still some games left, they played somewhat of a good game against the Bills in Buffalo but lost of course, the Chargers game was a disgrace and the Bills in home we know they could not seal the 1st overall pick although I think they can't control that 100%.

My vote anyway is the Cardinals game, Jonathan must have crashed some tables privately.

 

[lancerman]

It was before the Bills game because they fired him immediately after.

 

[signbabybrady]

Not the best look for the Krafts that 2 years in a row they basically decided to fire their coach before the end of the season but instead of going an interim route they just left them out to dry and by extension the team and the rest of the staff.

BB was a special circumstance as it deserved however obvious it may have been it deserved the dog and pony show of the end of the year "mutual decision" but with Mayo they should have cut bait as soon as possible. Not blaming him for beating Buff as I'm generally anti tank but to have him involved in that when you obviously already knew you were firing after the game was a mistake.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Kraft mentioned he was going back and forth all year long which is hard to believe given they kept losing on a weekly basis and Mayo's embarrassing soundbites. He also perfected the Carroll and Wade Phillips look on the sidelines. I think Bob knew early on he was going to fire Mayo and go after Vrabel. But if Bob's telling the truth, I'd guess the nail in the coffin was against the Chargers. I think Mayo was blindsided by Bob telling him going into Buffalo that it was his last game. If he told Mayo he was safe, he wouldn't have been so aggressive with Milton and the other players playing like it was the Super Bowl. They would've mirrored the Bills by playing conservatively and would've come down to who wanted to tank it more. We are going to be putting the first 4 picks of the draft under a microscope and revisit that day against Buffalo as either a franchise killing move or it didn't matter.

The other theory I'd suggest was that Milton possibly went rogue so he could build up his tape. He was trying way too hard that day and another reason why he was traded.

 

[XLIX]

Tough to point out one specific point in time, but I think we all realized after the Cardinals game that Mayo was likely gone. They had a bye week and came out with a lackluster performance in Arizona.

 

[jboston19]

It was definitely before the Bills game. I’ll guess Chargers.

 

[203Pat]

I think the discussions were already being had, but if I had to guess, it was the Arizona game that put the nail in the coffin. I believe it was the game that Jonathan Kraft was caught saying "Wtf are we doing?" on camera after we showed up completely unprepared post-bye.

I truly believe that Kraft may have been regretting the hire to some extent as early as February/March of last year when we saw the struggle to assemble a coaching staff. It became glaringly obvious that Mayo didn't have the experience and connections needed to put together a group of coaches that could sync up. As the months went by, the mistakes and missteps seemed endless. Not knowing he could request a bye after the London game, the lackadaisical approach to training camp, letting the Judon situation linger and then come to a head in front of cameras, and of course the weekly flip-flopping in the media, Mayo was so far in over his head that the results on the field were secondary to everything else.

 

[Love The Drake]

Can we please ban any threads about last season or Mayo the coach?

Thank you.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I think it was Cardinals. Mayo went into the bye week talking about looking at coaching and player changes for the following season and then played Arizona clearly not having planned for that game in the slightest.

 

[hornetfb85]

When he called Kraft Thunder.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

It was before the Bills game because they fired him immediately after.

winning that game made it more immediate

 

[ctpatsfan77]

winning that game made it more immediate

I cannot envision any set of circumstances where Kraft would have thought "If he loses this game, I'll give him another year, but if he wins this, he's gone."

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The other theory I'd suggest was that Milton possibly went rogue so he could build up his tape. He was trying way too hard that day and another reason why he was traded.

The biggest problem with that argument (Mayo wanted to lose, but Milton went rogue) is that they had Brissett available (he wasn't an "emergency" QB3; he was on the 48-man roster).

I will add what I've said before: in my mind, the point that crystallized that Mayo wasn't worthy of a second chance was the "Gibson is starting" debacle in the Chargers game.

 

[The Gr8est]

Tough to point out one specific point in time, but I think we all realized after the Cardinals game that Mayo was likely gone. They had a bye week and came out with a lackluster performance in Arizona.

Not sure we knew Mayo was gone, and some of us feared he would be given another year.

In that case a whole lot of us would have been gone and by the last game empty stadium Kraft knew it too.

 

[Brotherblues]

When he called Kraft Thunder.

I'd have decided then and there. "Sorry man, I meant you're fired, not hired. Autocorrect lol. Anyway, see ya around Jerod. Just not around the facilities, cuz, you know..."

 

[Nikolai]

I cannot envision any set of circumstances where Kraft would have thought "If he loses this game, I'll give him another year, but if he wins this, he's gone."

Yep, the decision was made. I'd entertain arguments that had he lost the game and preserved the pick that maybe the firing would have come later that evening or in the morning...and that winning the game caused the axe to fall more swiftly to appease the fan base.

 

[WinstonSmith]

He was fired when: they (including him) only signed their own players in FA, and they (including him) hired drunks, addicts, and bums for his coaching staff.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

All I KNOW, is the guillotine came pretty much immediately, which was shocking, but welcome.

 

[TheRainMaker]

The biggest problem with that argument (Mayo wanted to lose, but Milton went rogue) is that they had Brissett available (he wasn't an "emergency" QB3; he was on the 48-man roster).

I agree regarding Gibson and that was embarrassing. However, I don't follow what you mean regarding Milton. Where I'm coming from was that Mayo wasn't going to immediately bench Milton after his scrambling plays and bombs thrown downfield as that would look too obvious. I think there's a possibility Milton may have audibled out of conservative plays to do what I just mentioned previously. It's one thing if Milton dropped back, found an open guy and threw it. But he went way out of his way to pad his stats.

I just find it very hard to believe the staff and players went into the game thinking they had to win. For what? They had all season to do that, but decided to win a meaningless game with the opposition playing 3rd stringers and wanting to get the game over with. All the players and coaches knew what was at stake. Winning that game wasn't going to do anything for them going forward. In fact, while not speaking about the Patriots directly, Tom Brady has recently said that winning games like that doesn't do anything for the next season. What you did the prior season has little to no impact on the next season as everybody has a clean slate.

 

[Clonamery]

When he called Kraft Thunder.

Blunder and Thunder, dynamic duo.