What are you expecting from Drake Maye in Y2?

[TheRainMaker]

He might struggle.

The GOAT struggled in season 2 and the Pats missed the playoffs. Marty Schottenhiemer figured out that if you made Brady move off his spot that he was less effective. Took him out of his comfort zone. Once 1 defense is successful at defending a QB other NFL defenses follow suit.

Because Its all on film.

This offseason DC.s have broken down every 2024 play that Maye was involved in looking for tendencies. They have a good idea where he is strong and where he is weak. His favorite plays and favorite receivers.

I don't think teams have much film on Maye as the team was already really bad. There's a lot of new faces and offense in place. As for Brady, he did struggle in year 2 mostly because their defense was bad. More specifically, teams found out they could run on them starting with KC and SD with teams copying the same game plan. While I do remember Marty's "discovery", I don't think that had much to do with Brady's struggles. It was more because the offense was not built for weekly shootouts.

 

[Ring 6]

Stats would be nice, but I want to see him lead drives and score points which leads to wins. Some on here think it's an impossible feat for him to get at least 8-9 wins and compete for a playoff spot with all the additions they've had with coaching and personnel.

Who thinks that?

 

[TheRainMaker]

Better decision making and more accurate throws late in games under pressure situations. He was horrible at it last year and I am hoping it is just a rookie thing.

I'm not worried about that as others are because he didn't have much to work with. He's got competent coaches, WR in Diggs, help on OL and beefed up the defense now.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Who thinks that?

I got a lot of uproar in another thread saying he should win at least 8-9 games next season.

 

[Ring 6]

I got a lot of uproar in another thread saying he should win at least 8-9 games next season.

I thought you got uproar saying Maye is out of excuses, not for expecting 8+ wins.
I don’t think even the negative crowd around here thinks that’s a high expectation.

 

[ahmed]

I'm not worried about that as others are because he didn't have much to work with. He's got competent coaches, WR in Diggs, help on OL and beefed up the defense now.

No, this was purely on him. His play became significantly worse late in games in pressure spots (behind and need to score). He consistently went from ok to good most of the games to very poor late in games.

You can say he was trying too hard to make things happen but it seemed very clear that his decision making deteriorated in those situations.

Let's hope it's a combination of mistakes learning on the job combined with poor team and him trying to much. Because the alternative is that he crumbles under pressure and there is nothing worse for a QB.

 

[patfanken]

Last year Maye put the ball on the ground or in the other team's hands once every 28 times he touched the ball. That is unacceptable.

For context Tom was like that early in his career as well. For a young QB, ball security (throwing and holding) takes a lot of work.

If he can make that once every 60 snaps that'll go a long way to winning a helluva lot more ballgames.

I think they have the defense to keep them in games even when they aren't scoring a ton of points. Maye doesn't need to take chances like last year. He needs to trust the defense and the coaches will do their jobs.

That might be the hardest part...trust his teammates.

This is a great insight. Looking back to 2002 Brady was a fumble machine

Last year Maye put the ball on the ground or in the other team's hands once every 28 times he touched the ball. That is unacceptable.

For context Tom was like that early in his career as well. For a young QB, ball security (throwing and holding) takes a lot of work.

If he can make that once every 60 snaps that'll go a long way to winning a helluva lot more ballgames.

I think they have the defense to keep them in games even when they aren't scoring a ton of points. Maye doesn't need to take chances like last year. He needs to trust the defense and the coaches will do their jobs.

That might be the hardest part...trust his teammates.

Great insight. In 2002 Brady lost 11 fumbles and made it a priority to fix that by 2003. He worked on falling - being more prepared when it - getting his hands stronger.

This aside - back when Brady came into the league it was "common knowledge" that arm strength was what is was. You either had it or you didn't. It wasn't something that you can improve. Brady changed that paradigm by becoming the first guy that I can remember who came into the league as a noodle arm, and left it as a fireballer. And he did by his force of will and lots and LOTS of hard work to improve his mechanics, arm slots, leg strength, etc and reps and reps and reps. Those clips of him playing catch with one of those mechanical ball machines always flip me out. The outlier of all outliers If Campbell has that kind of mentality, it won't matter how narrow his shoulders are.

Back on topic: I'm looking for just improvement. He will be looking at the 2nd new offense in the last two years. It will take time. New OC, Lots of new faces, new offense and possibly a new language. 4 weeks of TC is NOT going to be enough reps to see Maye as a finished product. I'm just looking for him to look better each game as the season goes along and he develops a relationship with his OL and receivers.

Statistically, just improve on the 2024 numbers These are all doable things as SHOULD be expected from him given the improved coaching, scheme, and personnel

 

[RobertWeathers]

This is a great insight. Looking back to 2002 Brady was a fumble machine
Great insight. In 2002 Brady lost 11 fumbles and made it a priority to fix that by 2003. He worked on falling - being more prepared when it - getting his hands stronger.

This aside - back when Brady came into the league it was "common knowledge" that arm strength was what is was. You either had it or you didn't. It wasn't something that you can improve. Brady changed that paradigm by becoming the first guy that I can remember who came into the league as a noodle arm, and left it as a fireballer. And he did by his force of will and lots and LOTS of hard work to improve his mechanics, arm slots, leg strength, etc and reps and reps and reps. Those clips of him playing catch with one of those mechanical ball machines always flip me out. The outlier of all outliers If Campbell has that kind of mentality, it won't matter how narrow his shoulders are.

Back on topic: I'm looking for just improvement. He will be looking at the 2nd new offense in the last two years. It will take time. New OC, Lots of new faces, new offense and possibly a new language. 4 weeks of TC is NOT going to be enough reps to see Maye as a finished product. I'm just looking for him to look better each game as the season goes along and he develops a relationship with his OL and receivers.

Statistically, just improve on the 2024 numbers These are all doable things as SHOULD be expected from him given the improved coaching, scheme, and personnel

Yep.

I have no idea if he'll have better stats but I do know by season's end he'll be a better QB (health permitting). Just way too many good coaches to guide him and better talent around him this year.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

He threw 10 in slightly over 10 games last year. It's hardly off the mark.

should be around 10-12 for whole season as he has more weapons now

 

[Real fan 02]

He’s also really young. He’s younger than both Cam Ward and Shedeur Sanders and two years younger than Jayden Daniels. I feel that needs to be taken into consideration when evaluating his rookie performance.

Very true. Is why I felt like from what he had around him.. to have the product he did last season was so impressive.. I think he had a like what a 8 YPC average or something for a QB that's sick! Josh will allow Drake to be more efficient and fluent.. turnovers happen but I don't think Josh minds him take a risky throw now and then for big plays.. because he has the talent now on the outside in Williams especially.

 

[oceansizer]

I expect Maye to learn how to slide.

 

[PWRxWLF]

I'm predicting a little bit of a slump for Maye next year. I think its going to take time to gel with the receivers in the new offense.

Im with you. I don't want, but wouldn’t be surprised if we see output similar to his rookie year just a year’s worth of stats. Kid is on his 3rd offense in the years going back to college. Im sure McDaniels will keep the reigns on him similar to Macs rookie year which will also stunt his statistical output. Not to mention he has 4 new pass catchers to gel with if you include Henderson. Idk, maybe I’m just tempering my expectations. He has his work cut for him.

 

[BobDigital]

Improvement. We are going to be a run first team. And have better weapons on offense as well as a better OL. Bradbury isn't a very good pass blocking center but he can run block really well.

His #1 Last year was Hunter Henry who should hopefully be the #3 this year behind #1 Diggs #2 Williams. Hunter on any decent offense should be the #3. So hopefully that is how it will go. I think he will see a ton of play action. Some slot stuff and behind the line, but this offense in the passing attack is being built to do damage at the second level. They want to attack middle deep i think. So Maye will need to get use to doing that.

If this team functions the way Vrabel hopes it will we will run more than pass... that was how it was during his good years with the Titans. So you want see a ton of yards from Maye... what you want to see is efficiency.

 

[lbj4mvp22]

I don't think teams have much film on Maye as the team was already really bad. There's a lot of new faces and offense in place. As for Brady, he did struggle in year 2 mostly because their defense was bad. More specifically, teams found out they could run on them starting with KC and SD with teams copying the same game plan. While I do remember Marty's "discovery", I don't think that had much to do with Brady's struggles. It was more because the offense was not built for weekly shootou

I don't think teams have much film on Maye as the team was already really bad. There's a lot of new faces and offense in place. As for Brady, he did struggle in year 2 mostly because their defense was bad. More specifically, teams found out they could run on them starting with KC and SD with teams copying the same game plan. While I do remember Marty's "discovery", I don't think that had much to do with Brady's struggles. It was more because the offense was not built for weekly shootouts.

Why do people think tom brady struggle in his second year playing he led the nfl in touchdowns. Not saying he was great but he didn't struggle

 

[VJCPatriot]

Loved the Draft and Free Agency... Think we addressed the most pressing needs on the roster... we might not have solved all out problems, but we took a big step forward...

The biggest change from Y1pbb to Y2pbb is the wholesale replacement of the coaching staff... last year, the staff was inexperienced, and at times even appears unknowledgeable about the game of football... the games we did win, with the exception of Cincy, it felt like we lucked into it... Vrabel & Staff might not be the second coming of Lombardi & Co., but I think we will be much better prepared to face the future than we were last year...

With that said... Drake Maye... you now see the new pieces on the board... new OC... new players... new era... what are you expecting from him? His numbers from last year... and remember its based on ten games (yeah, stats say 13, but really, he played 10 full games)



what are your projections?

He needs to improve the td/int percentage... got to do a deeper dive into his splits, but improvements could be made in areas like first down passes... depth of target... and others i suppose that I cannot think of...

what you got Drake Maye racking up numbers wise with all the new toys and Josh running the show?

You have to keep in mind that he's learning a completely new system. New language, new coaches, new plays etc.

That said, now that we've put some additional pieces around him and with the expectation of progression, I'd expect around a 30% increase in productivity while hopefully cutting out a few unnecessary turnovers.

3,000 passing yards 21 passing TDs 7 INTs with 65-70% completion percentage.

I'm not asking for the moon from Maye, just steady progress as he learns the system and gets his feet under him.

I think the big leap will come in year 3, once he and the rest of the team are comfortable with the McDaniels system.

What I would like to see to stay hopeful is improved play in weeks 13-17 compared to weeks 1-5.

Who knows maybe he just goes nuts from the start, but to be realistic and fair, I expect some growing pains and miscues in the first half of the season under a brand new system and coaches.

 

[Pape]

You have to keep in mind that he's learning a completely new system. New language, new coaches, new plays etc.

mac jones had 24 passing tds in his rookie year... this is a better team... i am expecting (hopefully) he tops that... i don't think its unrealistic...

 

[Salsalife]

It's a McDaniels draft for sure. He has begun to create dynasty 2.0. The McDaniels offense during the championship years are back cosigned by Vrabel. Run, short passing game, screens and the seam routes. We are just missing the Big TE. I think Maye has alot of studying to do...He will have time but now he's gonna have to incorporate readings defenses pre and post snap... Tough sled. Will the dump option to the backs work with the timing. McDaniels is big on timing and options.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Why do people think tom brady struggle in his second year playing he led the nfl in touchdowns. Not saying he was great but he didn't struggle

I already explained it above. He was obviously better statistically, but he was constantly playing catch up. The team lost 4 straight games early in the season after starting 3-0. The team was 1-5 outside of the division to teams .500 and above and lost 2 out of 3 important games ending the season which very well could've been 0-3. The team was built though the defense. Factor in Super Bowl fatigue, a tougher schedule and teams wanting to take down the champs were a recipe for struggling year 2. Lastly, Tom was still young and didn't have much firepower on offense to help a defense that took a nosedive.

 

[jdlboot14]

The yards and TD's will come. But he really needs to work on not throwing stupid INTs this season in order for it to be a good 2nd year.
I think we all expect some sort of immediate Mahomes like production, but I'd expect more of a Brady-like 02-06 type of year...
4000 yds, 28TD, 12INT (more yards due to more games PLUS add ~600yds, 4TD rushing)

 

[BillyD90123]

That's a good point imagine a better Pop Douglas - Rham and H Henry add in Diggs - Henderson and Kyle Williams. Can we say options.

I'm hoping for more TD's than INT's.
Mac Jones killed his team with taking sacks that put out of FG range. So I'd hope to see very little of that from the Cold Duck.