If this draft is the work of Eliot Wolf’s grading system then

[RobertWeathers]

What about Wolf's draft last year?

Last year's draft: 2 Wide Receivers, 2 Offensive Linemen. This year: 1 Wide Receiver, 3 Offensive Linemen.

Message: last year's draft sucked.

Either someone else has taken over, thank goodness, or Wolf has already recognized that he went 0 for 4 with Polk, Baker, Wallace, and Robinson.

Everything after Maye is still TBD but in theory they should have gotten 2 starters and 2 role players so yes, based on a year later it did suck.

 

[maust]

BB got killed for picks here (some rightfully so) but the reality is the chances of success were low anyway. He also too chances on high-upside players (see Dom Easley, Ras-I, etc), picked low in drafts.

Dude? The fundamental point is correct, BB did take chances on some players he thought had high up-side, but Dominique Easley (1st round) and Ras-I (2nd round) were not picked low in drafts. Over pouring on those White Russians?

 

[mayoclinic]

Too early to tell. But most of those players were taken half to a full round too early, IMO.

I think last year's results is an indictment of the coaching staff as much as the FO. I had a late 2nd/early 3rd grade on Polk, would have loved him at 68. 37 was too rich, especially with Cooper De Jean sliding - I had a 1st round grade on him, and for me you don't pass up an opportunity like that. But I liked Polk the player - separation was a concern, but he had a reputation for being a "dog" at UWash, and I thought he would do well in the right role. I was shocked how much he fell apart and how his confidence was shattered. He may be a lost cause at this point, but I'm hoping a new start may still recover something of value.

All draftees are projects, to some extent. Even the most talented can be ruined.

 

[Steve102]

I can't stress this strongly enough: DO NOT CHANGE A THING! We've had an almost perfect draft. Great picks, great trades, great UDFAs. Take what they did this year and keep doing it.

Well, do not change a thing TODAY. These guys could all bust (doubtful). They need to re-evaluate at some point when they can see how guys are panning out once they take the field. It's a great draft on paper, but they still gotta put pads on.

Don't misunderstand my critique of your statement and that you are wrong, you 're not. they killed it. But the scouting process should be an evolving thing that lives and changes as they see how players pan out. That was the problem with the Belichick system; he didn't evolve based on hits and misses.

 

[Steve102]

The bigger the spleef, the less you know, I have found. Size matters, as they say.

Wouldn't know, but I have no problem with your assessment in the matter.

 

[manxman2601]

Well, do not change a thing TODAY. These guys could all bust (doubtful). They need to re-evaluate at some point when they can see how guys are panning out once they take the field. It's a great draft on paper, but they still gotta put pads on.

Don't misunderstand my critique of your statement and that you are wrong, you 're not. they killed it. But the scouting process should be an evolving thing that lives and changes as they see how players pan out. That was the problem with the Belichick system; he didn't evolve based on hits and misses.

OK, that's fair but any changes they evolve too should come from the foundation they built this year.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Dude? The fundamental point is correct, BB did take chances on some players he thought had high up-side, but Dominique Easley (1st round) and Ras-I (2nd round) were not picked low in drafts. Over pouring on those White Russians?

I blended the thoughts and didn't add a sentence.

The NEP typically picked low in drafts but when the did pick, they also reached often

Easley and Ras-I had top end talent but fell on boards because of medical concerns.

 

[maust]

I blended the thoughts and didn't add a sentence.

The NEP typically picked low in drafts but when the did pick, they also reached often

Easley and Ras-I had top end talent but fell on boards because of medical concerns.

I had a suspicion that may have been what you meant. I don't fault BB for making those type of 'risk' picks, given where the Pats were routinely drafting the reasoning was valid even if the results weren't always there.

 

[The Gr8est]

Given how this “ collaboration” turned out maybe Wolf wasn’t the problem with Belichick’s bad drafts? Maybe it was ………..Belichick

Doesn’t explain last year’s draft, but last year was a real cluster due to the inexplicable Mayo hire.

Eliot looks bad though admitting they didn’t know what to do regarding the UDFA process.

Jury is still out on Wolf.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I had a suspicion that may have been what you meant. I don't fault BB for making those type of 'risk' picks, given where the Pats were routinely drafting the reasoning was valid even if the results weren't always there.

Yep. He had to.

He did the same thing with Gronk and landed a HoF TE.

 

[The Gr8est]

I blended the thoughts and didn't add a sentence.

The NEP typically picked low in drafts but when the did pick, they also reached often

Easley and Ras-I had top end talent but fell on boards because of medical concerns.

Like Gronk.

Sometimes they workout.

Ras-I had great reviews after his first game.

 

[Steve102]

OK, that's fair but any changes they evolve too should come from the foundation they built this year.

100%.

I don't think any of us would be surprised if all the guys in the first 6 rounds made significant contributions this year. Further, they could all start. Then you add the UDFAs at you folks who know are so excited about, and you have a significant shift in the roster and the age of same.

It's a great start, and a phenomenal off-season.

 

[Water Boy]

he gad a reputation for being a "dog" at UWash, and I thought he would do well in the right role. I was shocked how much he fell apart and how his confidence was shattered. He may be a lost cause at this point, but I'? hoping a new start may still recover something of value.

All draftees are projects, to some extent. Even the most talented can be ruined.

Ya. Polk had a catastrophic season last year. He was looking like our best receiver in camp for a while, but then absolutely fell to pieces. It definitely raises questions about his make up, but last year's coaching staff certainly didn't do him any favors either. He's going to have to get his head on straight quick if he's going to play for Vrabel.

 

[manxman2601]

100%.

I don't think any of us would be surprised if all the guys in the first 6 rounds made significant contributions this year. Further, they could all start. Then you add the UDFAs at you folks who know are so excited about, and you have a significant shift in the roster and the age of same.

It's a great start, and a phenomenal off-season.

What I really like is that Vrabel is putting together an offense that will grow together under the leadership of Drake Maye. He's filled what is, arguably, the two most important positions on the OL* with future starters, added significant speed to the offense and then used UDFA for those back of the roster offensive guys who could provide schematic versatility.

* LT for obvious reasons and center because that's where the protections come from.

 

[maust]

Yep. He had to.

He did the same thing with Gronk and landed a HoF TE.

That willingness to 'run a risk' based on draft position is showing up, albeit to a smaller extent, in the Chiefs and Bills drafts. For all the pundits talked up Simmons, the injury factor is real there.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Like Gronk.

Sometimes they workout.

Ras-I had great reviews after his first game.

He sure did.

Great physical ability. Physical. Coached by Al Groh at Virginia. Smart (now a DC) .

Caught the injury bug his Sr. year which pushed him to the 2nd rd. Was 1st rd talent.

**** happens.

 

[sb1]

I think I'm willing to give Polk and Baker a mulligan after the -show that was our coaching last year. Like Maye hope they also get to make a 2nd year jump.

 

[maust]

I think I'm willing to give Polk and Baker a mulligan after the -show that was our coaching last year. Like Maye hope they also get to make a 2nd year jump.

Gonna be a sink or swim kinda camp this year for the two of them this year and they're not alone.

 

[TommyD4207]

Gosh, Tom. I have NO idea what this one means. I like the hats, though.

Maybe you are suggesting I get with the times. No thanks.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Doesn’t explain last year’s draft, but last year was a real cluster due to the inexplicable Mayo hire.

Eliot looks bad though admitting they didn’t know what to do regarding the UDFA process.

Jury is still out on Wolf.

I actually gave him credit for admitting he wasn’t organized enough for the UDFA process, I like people who can think critically, acknowledge their mistakes, and then work to fix them. And I think Wolf was much better off working with Vrabel, Cowden, and Streicher, than he was running the show on his own last year. If they can keep this group together for the next 2-3 years I believe they will have a championship caliber organization and team.