Day 3: who do we target?

[FredFromDartmouth]

Cough, cough, safety will be a priority today I suspect. Peppers might be on the chopping block; too bad since he is such a good player,...on the field.

 

[scott99]

I like the idea of Howard in the fourth.

Since they have only one 4th round pick, I’d love for them to go with BPA there. They have three 5th round picks, maybe go with Howard there. I’m a fan of Howard though, I think he’d be a good pick, there are some similarities there with Maye. Size, good arm and can run, would be a perfect backup. Get him with one of their 5ths.

 

[TommyD4207]

That should be "whom do we target": direct object of the verb "choose." Is there a meme for that?

 

[TommyD4207]

Anybody against taking QB Quin Ewers?? I think he would be a good back up to Drake Maye.

Not at all against it. He's my 3rd best qb in this draft after all.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

He was my original binkie. 5’10 280, and he was stonewalling 6’6 350 LB Deone Walker at the Senior Bowl. However my draft binkie is now Jackson Hawes, as a personal pass protector and blocking H-Back.

I'm pretty sure that was a run blocking drill, and lampkin got zero push. I still like him a lot as a try hard player, but I'd probably go for JJ Pegues If I wanted a big FB convert since he could also legitimately play some DL snaps.

 

[Brotherblues]

Please give me Swinson for my perfect draft.

They're just doing whatever you tell them at this point.

I think Wolf's new grading system is bs and he just reads your posts.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I know Wolf said defense, but I think they still need to address WR & TE. Just stick with BPA. I would LOVE for the Pats to add more explosiveness to their offense. Dont’e Thornton, would love to see them take a chance on him. He gives you great speed, but also something they really don’t have, SIZE At WR (I know, Mack Hollins). It’s truly a boom or bust pick, but if it hits, watch out.

Then they really need a young TE with size and that is a solid pass catcher and blocker. There a a decent amount of good TEs remaining. Orande Gadsen Junior is an interesting, athletic player. Gunnar Helm is a reliable TE. Fidone & Lachey are 2 guys I like as well. Fidone, besides some excellent measurables (huge wingspan and hands) is really smart, and known as a high character player. Lachey went to Iowa, enough said. But add in academic accolades, so he is smart too. Also known as a high character player.

At a certain point they have to be looking at their roster position by position and asking themselves whether the kid they bring in has any chance of making the team. For instance there is no sense in bringing in any more Center’s, because it’s almost certain they won’t stick. Whereas at TE they could still bring in a couple of guys who can compete for that 3rd TE position. Same goes at WR, they may have plenty in terms of numbers, but no position on the team has more spots that could be won in training camp. Polk, Baker, Bourne, and even Boutte are vulnerable to getting beat out for WR positions, especially since none really contribute on special teams. I don’t have the time today to really go over their roster, but I’m sure it’s at the top of their minds with their remaining picks, as there is no sense brining in guys who can’t compete for a position, then hoping they clear waivers to the Practice Squad.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

At a certain point they have to be looking at their roster position by position and asking themselves whether the kid they bring in has any chance of making the team. For instance there is no sense in bringing in any more Center’s, because it’s almost certain they won’t stick. Whereas at TE they could still bring in a couple of guys who can compete for that 3rd TE position. Same goes at WR, they may have plenty in terms of numbers, but no position on the team has more spots that could be won in training camp. Polk, Baker, Bourne, and even Boutte are vulnerable to getting beat out for WR positions, especially since none really contribute on special teams. I don’t have the time today to really go over their roster, but I’m sure it’s at the top of their minds with their remaining picks, as there is no sense brining in guys who can’t compete for a position, then hoping they clear waivers to the Practice Squad.

WR and OL are getting to the point that, even though they still need starting talent, they’re reasonably full with roster depth/backup types that they’d have to ponder if it’s worth adding another one. Making the roster even if you’re “only” a backup caliber player isn’t going to be an issue at all anywhere else on this team.

 

[turkeyneck]

Rather have Howard or Leonard

Howard over Ewers

 

[Huckleberry1]

WR and OL are getting to the point that, even though they still need starting talent, they’re reasonably full with roster depth/backup types that they’d have to ponder if it’s worth adding another one. Making the roster even if you’re “only” a backup caliber player isn’t going to be an issue at all anywhere else on this team.

I agree on the OL, but I think guys like Jalen royals and Tory Horton could win WR position on this team. I could see a WR room of Diggs, Williams Douglas, Horton, and Royals. Incredibly young, but much faster and more dangerous than what they had last year. I wouldn’t hesitate to cut Polk, Baker, Bourne, and Boutte for them. Eat mistakes now, don’t cling to them, keep getting faster and more explosive.

 

[manxman2601]

DT, DE, CB, Safety, RB, QB.

6 picks left. 6 positions.

RB could be one they wait until UDFA to add a 2nd guy..

really hoping they target Pegues.. He's got an mean attitude and loves hitting people (plays FB on Goalline/short yardage).

I was just thinking about your question about a Swiss-army knife CB last night. I think Jaylin Smith from USC was the answer you were looking for. Sorry about that. He went to the Texans last night.

 

[BobDigital]

I put a lot of stock into Manx and Bacon's grades and thoughts. With their takes here is my official big board

Draft at 106

#1 Farmer - DT
#2 MBow - G
#3 Royals - WR
#4 Cam Skattebo - RB (he is a guy i personally really like... I see a lot of things from him he does in that position i think are very valuable. Kind of reminds of of discount McCaffrey.)
#5 Swinson - DE - I'm torn...I think he's pretty good. Bacon doesn't see super high value here (not that he hates him), but he is Manx's guy. I would like when both feel the same way about a guy. But i gotta assume Manx just did the homework here and go with my gut that he is worth this pick.
#6 Logan Brown - OT(Maybe among the best value here... but may not be a need for a while with Moses/Campbell. Assuming Campbell is the LT we hope he is. That's knocks him down a little)
#7 Robinson - DT - I still think he's worth this pick
#8 Ayomanor - WR

Draft if trading up from the 5th to 4th, taken at top of 5th or trading down within the 4th (in no particular order)

Deone Walker - DT
Jackson Hawes - TE
Lane - WR
JJ Pegues - DT (A Mayo name drop.... nice to see him back! Another guy who when he talks about the draft i listen carefully)
Billy Bownan - S
Kennard - DT
Williams - RT(mostly)
Quincy Riley - CB
Laylen Reed - S
Sorrell - DE
Frazier - OG (I'm curious why Bacon doesn't like Frazier as much as other guys.. but i'll take his word. MBow is my pick at 106 spot now).
Sawyer - DE - still like him a lot but i'm more confident in other guys.

Mitchell Evans - TE - Another TE binkie of mine not enough people are talking about... in 8 games in 2023 before his ACL injury he had 424.. Would have gotten 650 if he was healthy. 10 months later he playes as a bit of a shell and limited for 2024 trying to get back to were he was. Does okay with with 422 yards but has some of his best games at the end of the year looking better than ever against Penn State and Ohio State in the playoffs. Has good size. weight and the best 10 yard split at the combine. He is quick for a big guy. 8.95 RAS. Not amazing but solid and considering his size not bad at all. He looks the part on tape, particularly his 2023 tape and late 2024 tape. I hope they somehow get him. Not a top TE prospect but can be a long term #2 who can do a bit of everything for you. Yes he's a good blocker, as you'd hope to see for his frame and size. He has the chance to be a mid/low starter level in this league as a ceiling... likely more low level than mid/low. But that ain't bad in round 4/5. Also From Notre Dame, which is a bit of a TE factory.

Later round picks (in no particular order)

Jeffrey Bassa - LB (another guy Mayo likes and thinks would fit, also decently rated on Bacon's board)
Cobee Bryant - CB
Cam Horsely - DT
Willie Lumpkin - OG
Jalen Rivers - OG
Jalin Travis - OT
Que Robinson - DE
Pebbles - DE
Mac McWilliams - CB
Chris Paul Jr - LB
LaQuint Allen - RB
Rubin Hyppolite - LB
Shaun Dolac - LB
Craig Woodson - S

This is my final cheat sheet... I don't think i'll be adding more. It seems plenty big. But I know there are highly ranked guys i left off.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I agree on the OL, but I think guys like Jalen royals and Tory Horton could win WR position on this team. I could see a WR room of Diggs, Williams Douglas, Horton, and Royals. Incredibly young, but much faster and more dangerous than what they had last year. I wouldn’t hesitate to cut Polk, Baker, Bourne, and Boutte for them. Eat mistakes now, don’t cling to them, keep getting faster and more explosive.

I think that comes down to how you view Royal or Horton. Do you see them slotting in as top 3 receivers long term? Then yeah, there’s room. But if you see them as like roster depth kind of guys, then it’s starting to get crowded. On day 3 you start getting into a tier of guys that maybe you see sticking in the NFL in a depth role but not a main contributor. Those are the type of guys I’m saying we might not have room for at WR. The Mack Hollin type if you will. But guys who can be starting level players? Always room.

 

[Steve102]

Gimme Swinson or Sawyer, a safety, Thor Griffith because his name is freaking Thor, drew Kendall and Gallavrageous or whatever the kicker’s name is.

Thor. Did you give yourself this name ? Awesome.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think that comes down to how you view Royal or Horton. Do you see them slotting in as top 3 receivers long term? Then yeah, there’s room. But if you see them as like roster depth kind of guys, then it’s starting to get crowded. On day 3 you start getting into a tier of guys that maybe you see sticking in the NFL in a depth role but not a main contributor. Those are the type of guys I’m saying we might not have room for at WR. The Mack Hollin type if you will. But guys who can be starting level players? Always room.

I see both as having an upside their current receivers don’t have. Polk isn’t going to get faster, Baker isn’t going to get smarter, and Boutte isn’t going to get a good attitude. So yes, I would be happy to replace them with Williams, Horton, and Royals.

 

[manxman2601]

I put a lot of stock into Manx and Bacon's grades and thoughts. With their takes here is my official big board

Draft at 106

#1 Farmer - DT
#2 MBow - G
#3 Royals - WR
#4 Cam Skattebo - RB (he is a guy i personally really like... I see a lot of things from him he does in that position i think are very valuable. Kind of reminds of of discount McCaffrey.)
#5 Swinson - DE - I'm torn...I think he's pretty good. Bacon doesn't see super high value here (not that he hates him), but he is Manx's guy. I would like when both feel the same way about a guy. But i gotta assume Manx just did the homework here and go with my gut that he is worth this pick.
#6 Logan Brown - OT(Maybe among the best value here... but may not be a need for a while with Moses/Campbell. Assuming Campbell is the LT we hope he is. That's knocks him down alittle)
#7 Robinson - DT - I still think he's worth this pick
#8 Ayomanor - WR

Draft if trading up from the 5th to 4th, taken at top of 5th or trading down within the 4th (in no particular order)

Deone Walker - DT
Jackson Hawes - TE
Lane - WR
JJ Pegues - DT (A Mayo name drop.... nice to see him back! Another guy who when he talks about the draft i listen carefully)
Billy Bownan - S
Kennard - DT
Williams - RT(mostly)
Quincy Riley - CB
Laylen Reed - S
Sorrell - DE
Frazier - OG (I'm curious why Bacon doesn't like Frazier as much as other guys.. but i'll take his word. MBow is my pick at 106 spot now).
Sawyer - DE - still like him a lot but i'm more confident in other guys.

Mitchell Evans - TE - Another TE binkie of mine not enough people are talking about... in 8 games in 2023 before his ACL injury he had 424.. Would have gotten 650 if he was healthy. 10 months later he playes as a bit of a shell and limited for 2024 trying to get back to were he was. Does okay with with 422 yards but has some of his best games at the end of the year looking better than ever against Penn State and Ohio State. Has good size. weight and the best 10 yard split at the combine. He is quick for a big guy. 8.95 RAS. Not amazing but solid and considering his size not bad at all. He looks the part on tape, particular in his 2023 and late 2024 tape. I hope they somehow get him. Not a top TE prospect but can be a long term #2 who can do a bit of everything for you.

Later round picks (in no particular order)

Jeffrey Bassa - LB (another guy Mayo likes and thinks would fit, also decently rated on Bacon's board)
Cobee Bryant - CB
Cam Horsely - DT
Willie Lumpkin - OG
Jalen Rivers - OG
Jalin Travis - OT
Que Robinson - DE
Pebbles - DE
Mac McWilliams - CB
Chris Paul Jr - LB
LaQuint Allen - RB
Rubin Hyppolite - LB
Shaun Dolac - LB
Craig Woodson - S

This is my final cheat sheet... I don't think i'll be adding more. It seems plenty big. But I know there are highly ranked guys i left off.

Great list. Billy Bowman is a really interesting one for me. He's very good and would be an outstanding Vrabel pick except....he has a 25% missed tackle rate. Most of that is a result of being over-aggressive rather than a lack of desire, something he doesn't lack at all so it's a difficult eval. If he sorts out those missed tackles, he could be really good. Ball hawk aggressive safety and defensive tone setter.

 

[Love The Drake]

Royals
Farmer

I put a lot of stock into Manx and Bacon's grades and thoughts. With their takes here is my official big board

Draft at 106

#1 Farmer - DT
#2 MBow - G
#3 Royals - WR
#4 Cam Skattebo - RB (he is a guy i personally really like... I see a lot of things from him he does in that position i think are very valuable. Kind of reminds of of discount McCaffrey.)
#5 Swinson - DE - I'm torn...I think he's pretty good. Bacon doesn't see super high value here (not that he hates him), but he is Manx's guy. I would like when both feel the same way about a guy. But i gotta assume Manx just did the homework here and go with my gut that he is worth this pick.
#6 Logan Brown - OT(Maybe among the best value here... but may not be a need for a while with Moses/Campbell. Assuming Campbell is the LT we hope he is. That's knocks him down alittle)
#7 Robinson - DT - I still think he's worth this pick
#8 Ayomanor - WR

Draft if trading up from the 5th to 4th, taken at top of 5th or trading down within the 4th (in no particular order)

Deone Walker - DT
Jackson Hawes - TE
Lane - WR
JJ Pegues - DT (A Mayo name drop.... nice to see him back! Another guy who when he talks about the draft i listen carefully)
Billy Bownan - S
Kennard - DT
Williams - RT(mostly)
Quincy Riley - CB
Laylen Reed - S
Sorrell - DE
Frazier - OG (I'm curious why Bacon doesn't like Frazier as much as other guys.. but i'll take his word. MBow is my pick at 106 spot now).
Sawyer - DE - still like him a lot but i'm more confident in other guys.

Mitchell Evans - TE - Another TE binkie of mine not enough people are talking about... in 8 games in 2023 before his ACL injury he had 424.. Would have gotten 650 if he was healthy. 10 months later he playes as a bit of a shell and limited for 2024 trying to get back to were he was. Does okay with with 422 yards but has some of his best games at the end of the year looking better than ever against Penn State and Ohio State in the playoffs. Has good size. weight and the best 10 yard split at the combine. He is quick for a big guy. 8.95 RAS. Not amazing but solid and considering his size not bad at all. He looks the part on tape, particular in his 2023 and late 2024 tape. I hope they somehow get him. Not a top TE prospect but can be a long term #2 who can do a bit of everything for you. Yes he's a good blocker, as you'd hope to see for his frame and size. He has the chance to be a mid/low starter level in this league. Also From Notre Dame, which is a bit of a TE factory.

Later round picks (in no particular order)

Jeffrey Bassa - LB (another guy Mayo likes and thinks would fit, also decently rated on Bacon's board)
Cobee Bryant - CB
Cam Horsely - DT
Willie Lumpkin - OG
Jalen Rivers - OG
Jalin Travis - OT
Que Robinson - DE
Pebbles - DE
Mac McWilliams - CB
Chris Paul Jr - LB
LaQuint Allen - RB
Rubin Hyppolite - LB
Shaun Dolac - LB
Craig Woodson - S

This is my final cheat sheet... I don't think i'll be adding more. It seems plenty big. But I know there are highly ranked guys i left off.

Royals would allow us to send another jag packing.

 

[upstater1]

Most interested in the LBs Bassa and Stutsman at this point.

Would take a flyer on a tackle like Cam Williams as well.

Need a safety: Castro or Reed

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Seems kinda dumb to alert everyone you're going defense now

 

[TommyD4207]

Royals
Farmer

Royals would allow us to send another jag packing.

Skattebo would allow.Stevenson to walk too.
I'm fine with replacing our """depth""" bums with semi-competent football players.