NFL Draft Talk

[gobesmug]

And that's really the problem IMO. They trade back with the Raiders and take Campbell at #6, that's ok? Shouldn't make a bit of difference. This draft sucks, it is what it is. The Pats should be taking the first LT off the board, even if this year's draft is weak at LT. If they need to do it again next year, that's ok too. Absolutely no one here would ***** if they took a WR every year with the R1 pick. No. One. If it's Campbell, and the intangibles are accurate, this guy is going to be here, productive, in some fashion, for a long time.

Wait..

So you think they should take a LT regardless of talent level at #4 just because?

That is terrible team building and a guarantee way to never see the playoffs.

Taking a marginal talent when elite talent is available is dumb. Now if a potential elite LT is available at #4 I'm all game.

I'm not going to pretend I know if any of the OT in this draft have that kind potential or not, but being ok to draft average is foolish. If the Pats go OT #4 it better be because the guy they draft is someone they view that can be elite

 

[Steve102]

Wait..

So you think they should take a LT regardless of talent level at #4 just because?

That is terrible team building and a guarantee way to never see the playoffs.

Taking a marginal talent when elite talent is available is dumb. Now if a potential elite LT is available at #4 I'm all game.

I'm not going to pretend I know if any of the OT in this draft have that kind potential or not, but being ok to draft average is foolish. If the Pats go OT #4 it better be because the guy they draft is someone they view that can be elite

What elite talent ?

 

[KCSVEN]

I guess I've been sleeping on Luther Burden. His stats were down and apparently so is his stock. Egbuka might go too early, but Burden might be there into the early 2nd.

Burden at 1 point was wr1 in this class. He has excellent separation numbers. Very Deebo like with the ball in his hands.

Only real clear negative I see is the 8.5 inch hand size and the fact he's probably better in the slot. I think he probably fits Josh's ideal slot receiver more than DD.

He's too good to not trade up in the second or very late first. Golden Tate is also a good comp in many ways except Burden has better running ability on sweeps and better YAC but similar physical ability overall to Tate.

 

[gobesmug]

What elite talent ?

I'm not going to pretend to know who is and is not elite.

But you are literally advocating to take a LT at #4 even if the player is average of mediocre. That's a ridiculous take.

They need talent and if the FO and coaching staff thinks that's one of the OTs available then great, but if they view Graham or Jalon Walker or someone else having A higher grade.

Imagine if BB followed your logic and took Kenyata Walker at #6 back in 2001 instead of Richard Seymour just to draft LT with his first pick?

It's doubtful the pats win any of those 3 superbowls without Seymour.

You know what, BB did address the LT position by drafting Matt Light that same draft in the 2nd rd.

So BB got HOF talent at #6 which was critical for winning superbowls and got hit average LT in the 2nd rd, which is all that's needed to win.

 

[lancerman]

And that's really the problem IMO. They trade back with the Raiders and take Campbell at #6, that's ok? Shouldn't make a bit of difference. This draft sucks, it is what it is. The Pats should be taking the first LT off the board, even if this year's draft is weak at LT. If they need to do it again next year, that's ok too. Absolutely no one here would ***** if they took a WR every year with the R1 pick. No. One. If it's Campbell, and the intangibles are accurate, this guy is going to be here, productive, in some fashion, for a long time.

People would absolutely lose it if the Pats took a WR who had the same huge limitation and red flag that Campbell had and then had to draft the position again next year. Hell Pats fans are currently losing their mind at the suggestion of Tet just because his size reminds them of Harry.

The only question that should matter is whether this is the best pick they can make to get a reliable contributor on the field.

 

[borisman]

I'm not going to pretend to know who is and is not elite.

But you are literally advocating to take a LT at #4 even if the player is average of mediocre. That's a ridiculous take.

They need talent and if the FO and coaching staff thinks that's one of the OTs available then great, but if they view Graham or Jalon Walker or someone else having A higher grade.

Imagine if BB followed your logic and took Kenyata Walker at #6 back in 2001 instead of Richard Seymour just to draft LT with his first pick?

It's doubtful the pats win any of those 3 superbowls without Seymour.

You know what, BB did address the LT position by drafting Matt Light that same draft in the 2nd rd.

So BB got HOF talent at #6 which was critical for winning superbowls and got hit average LT in the 2nd rd, which is all that's needed to win.

I can almost guarantee this post was plagiarized or copy pasted from another page/topic.

 

[Steve102]

I'm not going to pretend to know who is and is not elite.

But you are literally advocating to take a LT at #4 even if the player is average of mediocre. That's a ridiculous take.

They need talent and if the FO and coaching staff thinks that's one of the OTs available then great, but if they view Graham or Jalon Walker or someone else having A higher grade.

Imagine if BB followed your logic and took Kenyata Walker at #6 back in 2001 instead of Richard Seymour just to draft LT with his first pick?

It's doubtful the pats win any of those 3 superbowls without Seymour.

You know what, BB did address the LT position by drafting Matt Light that same draft in the 2nd rd.

So BB got HOF talent at #6 which was critical for winning superbowls and got hit average LT in the 2nd rd, which is all that's needed to win.

So Campbell/Banks/Membou are not elite? You know that already? You just said you have not idea who is and isn't elite. Which is is it?

They have a giant gaping hole on the OL, and in light of the fact that there's no consensus "elite" talent at #4, then yes, I advocate taking the best possible fit for LT.

People would absolutely lose it if the Pats took a WR who had the same huge limitation and red flag that Campbell had and then had to draft the position again next year. Hell Pats fans are currently losing their mind at the suggestion of Tet just because his size reminds them of Harry.

The only question that should matter is whether this is the best pick they can make to get a reliable contributor on the field.

Agree with the bolded part, 100%.

 

[lancerman]

So Campbell/Banks/Membou are not elite? You know that already? You just said you have not idea who is and isn't elite. Which is is it?

They have a giant gaping hole on the OL, and in light of the fact that there's no consensus "elite" talent at #4, then yes, I advocate taking the best possible fit for LT.


Agree with the bolded part, 100%.

As a prospect they aren't. By this logic I could justify anybody because they haven't been in the league yet. Nobody approaches the draft that way. You need to make an educated guess.

 

[Steve102]

As a prospect they aren't. By this logic I could justify anybody because they haven't been in the league yet. Nobody approaches the draft that way. You need to make an educated guess.

And I am confident they will make a very well educated decision on whoever they pick.

 

[mgteich]

And I am confident they will make a very well educated decision on whoever they pick.

Yup.

Congrats on stating your position of how you will feel about ANY pick. Few are willing to make such statements beforehand.

 

[Steve102]

Yup.

Congrats on stating your position of how you will feel about ANY pick. Few are willing to make such statements beforehand.

Not sure what you mean, but if you're asking me who I would pick at #4, based on the info available to fans, I'd pick Campbell.

 

[Toofy]

You can only take what is available ..

Jeanty is probably the best remaining fit. But it does not make any sense for pats.

Campbell might not be top 4 material but he is top 7 in this draft and it's a position we need . We can only draft the available players. Just draft him at 4 unless bears offers us this year's second and next year's second to move from 10 to 4.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

I guess I've been sleeping on Luther Burden. His stats were down and apparently so is his stock. Egbuka might go too early, but Burden might be there into the early 2nd.

Burden at 1 point was wr1 in this class. He has excellent separation numbers. Very Deebo like with the ball in his hands.

Only real clear negative I see is the 8.5 inch hand size and the fact he's probably better in the slot. I think he probably fits Josh's ideal slot receiver more than DD.

He's too good to not trade up in the second or very late first. Golden Tate is also a good comp in many ways except Burden has better running ability on sweeps and better YAC but similar physical ability overall to Tate.

I used to be very keen on Burden since you can see some incredible acceleration on the move. He has an extra gear. However I saw Starks annihilate him on a few plays so I gotta wonder. Starks is going to haunt Burden's dreams; hopefully he does not end up with Miami.

 

[Love The Drake]

What’s he going to say they told me I wasn’t built like a tackle and not quick enough for guard.

 

[gobesmug]

So Campbell/Banks/Membou are not elite? You know that already? You just said you have not idea who is and isn't elite. Which is is it?

They have a giant gaping hole on the OL, and in light of the fact that there's no consensus "elite" talent at #4, then yes, I advocate taking the best possible fit for LT.


Agree with the bolded part, 100%.

What are you talking about. I'm not claiming they can't be elite and have been clear about that fact.

What so called media experts claim i could careless about.

Vrable and Wolf have already claimed they will take BPA and not hyper focused on need, like they did last year.

I'm fairly confident that if an OT is drafted it's not because they are reaching for need but because they view that player as being the best.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

You don't pick a RT at #4.

You don't pick a LG at #4.

 

[Toofy]

What are you talking about. I'm not claiming they can't be elite and have been clear about that fact.

What so called media experts claim i could careless about.

Vrable and Wolf have already claimed they will take BPA and not hyper focused on need, like they did last year.

I'm fairly confident that if an OT is drafted it's not because they are reaching for need but because they view that player as being the best.

This ..

The probability that walker,warren, jeanty, Tet or membou flame out is the same as Campbell which means all these players are ranked equally. So it's a odd year where 4 to 10 are b+ players and not truly elite.

So unless we get an extra 2nd this year, just stay pat and take Campbell . Doesn't matter whether he turns into an above average tackle or elite guard . He is the best among the middle classmen , So just take him . At least he solves a position of need if he works out if he doesn't we rinse and repeat next year.

 

[slash83]

You don't pick a LG at #4.

They aren’t.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

As it should be! Picking Campbell reeks of desperation. They are so scared of Vedarian Lowe that they are willing to draft a guard with #4. No one with Campbell’s arm length has emerged to be a really good tackle in the NFL.

You mean like Rashawn Slater who has the same arm length as Campbell

 

[Ochmed Jones]

You don't pick a LG at #4.

Ever heard of John Hannah????