NFL Draft Talk

[The Gr8est]

That's the frustrating thing to me. Guys have no idea if he can play LT in the NFL or not, and they've 100% made up their mind they will hate the pick and therefore the player as well. They are more married to the position of being right than they are rooting for the team to succeed.

Kind of like what happened with Chad Ryland.

Some people were outraged that BB had the audacity to trade up in the 4th round for a kicker.

Were they more concerned with the Pats’ success or with being proven right?

 

[The Gr8est]

I doubt teams are trying to move up for Sanders.

 

[raduray]

I don't want Will Campbell at 4, simply because I don't think he's worthy of the number 4 pick. I would rather take the blue chip game wrecker in Mason Graham and pick up Ersery or Conerly if he's there early in round 2.

We've already improved our defense. The big remaining hole is at LT. This will be a multi year process to get back into contention, but we can't have Maye being chased around the backfield. Need to establish some stability, a strong base, and for that you need to fill the gaping LT hole.

 

[Steve102]

Kind of like what happened with Chad Ryland.

Some people were outraged that BB had the audacity to trade up in the 4th round for a kicker.

Were they more concerned with the Pats’ success or with being proven right?

I really hope the kid is picked #4 and he is really good, just so some of the blowhards here will STFU. Obviously, that would benefit the team in a huge way, so it's a win all the way around.

 

[Brotherblues]

Thursday night can't get here soon enough. We are just regurgitating the same old, tired points.

Campbell has no arms
Campbell isn't worth #4
They should just trade up/down
They should take (insert some other player here)

Soon, brother. Soon. Then we can move on to regurgitating something else ad nauseam for the following 3 months.

Like it or not, though, Campbell is now a case study. Doesn't matter if we draft him. He will be under a microscope all of camp, preseason, and season. His case will be brought up next draft season too. Even if we don't pick him, his name will come up in the next 12 months more than most players on the team.

 

[Grogan14]

We've already improved our defense. The big remaining hole is at LT. This will be a multi year process to get back into contention, but we can't have Maye being chased around the backfield. Need to establish some stability, a strong base, and for that you need to fill the gaping LT hole.

No one denies that.
The key issue is Will Campbell the right player to fill that hole at LT.
I think a year from now Campbell will be our LG and we will be looking for LT all over again

 

[BelizePats]

Would anyone trade 38 to the giants to move up to 3 for carter or hunter?
I do not think so

Hell no. #38 should be a starter. We need talent.

 

[Love The Drake]

I’d be sick

If Carter is available at 4 and the Patriots don’t want him, there will be teams that do. I can’t imagine there wouldn’t be a good trade offer in that scenario, compared to the most likely scenario where Carter and Hunter are off the board.

I doubt teams are trying to move up for Sanders.

Us for Hunter?
How much could it really cost if Cleveland doesn’t rank him as high as we do?

 

[Steve102]

Soon, brother. Soon. Then we can move on to regurgitating something else ad nauseam for the following 3 months.

Like it or not, though, Campbell is now a case study. Doesn't matter if we draft him. He will be under a microscope all of camp, preseason, and season. His case will be brought up next draft season too. Even if we don't pick him, his name will come up in the next 12 months more than most players on the team.

Every time he gets beat on an inside move, someone here is gonna pitch a fit. The kid is eff'd before he even starts as far as some posters here are concerned.

I just want to team to get better. I really don't like Greg Bedard, but he made a good point on his mock: if the line gets fixed and becomes a strength, it doesn't matter if they take a guy at #4 or #10 and they take one at #38 or #69, as long as the line gets fixed. The asshats here will ***** about the draft slot, and those guy will ***** even if they win.

I just want the team to get better. I really don't give a **** about the guy they take at #4 is a fine pick at #8. Eff that. That's picayune whining and wanting to be right. Make the team better. This is a ****ty draft to be at #4, we get it. Blame Mayo if you want. The same guys throwing the blame around would have been the ones *****ing that they didn't get a high enough ransom to trade out of the #1 slot.

 

[Mankok]

The Browns are definitely picking Hunter unless and only unless someone offers Andrew Berry 3 number one picks.

 

[PatsFan2]

Every time he gets beat on an inside move, someone here is gonna pitch a fit. The kid is eff'd before he even starts as far as some posters here are concerned.

I just want to team to get better. I really don't like Greg Bedard, but he made a good point on his mock: if the line gets fixed and becomes a strength, it doesn't matter if they take a guy at #4 or #10 and they take one at #38 or #69, as long as the line gets fixed. One the asshats here will ***** about the draft slot, and those guy will ***** even if they win.

I just want the team to get better. I really don't give a **** about the guy they take at #4 is a fine pick at #8. Eff that. That's picayune whining and wanting to be right. Make the team better. This is a ****ty draft to be at #4, we get it. Blame Mayo if you want. The same guys throwing the blame around would have been the ones *****ing that they didn't get a high enough ransom to trade out of the #1 slot.

Would I do that??

Di

 

[Steve102]

Did I do that??

Di

Well, they haven't drafted him, or played a game, so not that I am aware of, your grace.

 

[Pacific Coast Patriot]

I’d be sick



Us for Hunter?
How much could it really cost if Cleveland doesn’t rank him as high as we do?

At the most I'd give 4, next years first and a 3rd rounder. They'd likely reject it so we'd stay at 4. They probably would want our 2nd this year as well, but we really need a LT.

Why next years first? With our revamped team and coach I don't think we will be anywhere near the top 10, let alone the 2 overall pick to get blue chip talent for the rest of Drakes rookie contract.

This is what makes the Campbell pick so crushing, we backed ourself in to a corner where we can't really afford not to take him because we have to look after Maye first. This team is crying out for blue chip talent on O.

Other than Maye, here is the R1/R2 offensive players drafted in the last 6 years by NE:

Polk
Strange
Thornton
Mac Jones
N'keal Harry

And this is why I don't hate the idea of flipping next years first for an elite prospect like Hunter - we've been wasting them non-stop. All of these players are complete trash that if they were taken in the 5th-7th round it would seem about right.

 

[Username]

We've already improved our defense. The big remaining hole is at LT. This will be a multi year process to get back into contention, but we can't have Maye being chased around the backfield. Need to establish some stability, a strong base, and for that you need to fill the gaping LT hole.

While I agree with you that LT is our biggest need, I don't think it's always the best thing for the team to just draft the best player at a position of need.

If we had just one pick to make in the entire draft, it would be Campbell, but we have lots of picks and 7 whole rounds. My personal opinion, which I've formed from watching tape over the past 4-5 months, is that we should take Mason Graham at 4 if Carter and Hunter are off the board. My reasoning for this is that there is a massive gulf in quality between Mason Graham and any other defensive player that will still be on the board at 4. Graham is a once every 5 or 6 drafts type of talent at DT. I actually prefer him to Abdul Carter.

Will Campbell is a very good Offensive Lineman, but he is not overwhelmingly regarded as the top LT in this class. I don't think there is huge gap in talent between Will Campbell and the tackles that will be available at the top of the second, such as Conerly Jr and Ersery.

Considering the uncertainty around Barmore, I would feel a lot happier with, for instance, Graham and Ersery as our first two picks than I would be with Campbell and anyone else who's available at the top of the second. It's not an exact science and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but for me you can't draft players in isolation, you have to look at what's available later. And if there is a bona fide blue chip player available, you should always take him regardless of positional need.

 

[Hawaiipatsfan2]

Id be happy with that but, as someone mentioned, isn’t his dead cap hit prohibitive to any trade on Philly end?

Real question here. Say a player and a team want to void their current contract. The player returns his bonuses and salary he’s already received. He’s then free to go get the same or better money on another team? There’s many ways you could go about something like that.

Can this or has this ever been done?

 

[jboston19]

Real question here. Say a player and a team want to void their current contract. The player returns his bonuses and salary he’s already received. He’s then free to go get the same or better money on another team? There’s many ways you could go about something like that.

Can this or has this ever been done?

I’m not great with the salary cap. They can sign extensions and there’s also options to turn money to signing bonuses, but I dont believe they can forfeit money like that.

I *think* they can only redo a contract once in a span of a year or two, so I don’t believe signing a minimum deal with the promise of redoing it post-trade is an option.

 

[Huckleberry1]

If you have zero concern over his arm length then you should probably just consider him to be as good if not a better prospect than Hunter or Carter? Maybe not Hunter but certainly Carter who isn't perfect physically either.

I like opinions from Scar, Thomas, Vrabel, and others more than just stating "he played in the SEC and it wasn't a problem there" and certainly more than make believe numbers.

And I've stated that if Vrabel puts his money where his mouth is then I'll trust his beliefs that he doesn't think arm length will prevent him from playing LT. Until Vrabel or another team does that Arm length will still be discussed every time he is.

Where did I say I have “ zero” concern over his arm length? His arms are shorter than desirable, and I have noted that several times. What I am saying is that is the only knock on him, and the fact that he’s 6’6 320, and that he’s in the top 1% athletically of all tackles that have come out of college, as well as his production, his character, and his leadership abilities make him a great prospect. And, as we have seen with all the failed Patriot tackles with longer arms, all of those positive traits should make him a much better tackle than the guys with longer arms. The bottom line for me is that the Patriots are going to get the best left tackle in the country, at their position of greatest need, yet that’s still not good enough for some Patriot fans. Why? Because nothing ever is good enough.

Had we been told before last season started that the Patriots would get the top tackle in the country in the 25?Draft most here would have been thrilled, however when the Silly season arrives no prospect is ever good enough, they are all deeply flawed, and woes be us.

 

[Patsfan1645]

I will just be happy when we can move on from the pre-draft, the same view points gets regurgitated endlessly. I cant wait for the forums to blow up on Thursday night. Personally I am looking forward to training camp and how that is going and who is the TC star/s. But first we will have trudge through the after-draft of Kraft suxs, Wolfe suxs, the scouts suxs and maybe some Vrabel hate when the team doesnt pick or wheel and deal to the expectations of a fanbase that is entitled. At least the weather is good now to go outside and get the list of outdoor projects going.

 

[scott99]

Would cost at least 38

And ? You’re trading up for the best player in the draft.

 

[Grogan14]

And ? You’re trading up for the best player in the draft.

OK agree. Would cost more. I doubt Browns even consider it unless throw in 2026 first also.
Would not do thst.
Can get third best player in draft Jeanty at 4