BB's new book has no mention of Bob Kraft - admits shocking mistake

[Wozzy]

Looking through post.. why does it always seem to turn into a RK bashing... if he was a really bad owner he'd had said **** Boston, and moved the Organization to Connecticut or elsewhere.. I really think posters need to look at the whole Picture. It took RK, Bill and TB12 in uunison to sustain what we had for so long.. no one is perfect but all 3 men are important. Just My opinion Pape my guy!

Everybody gets credit for the positive they did, Bob, Bill, Tom… but ignoring the stupidity and poor decisions is not objective. That’s just blind hero worship.

Bill is justified in not providing glowing praise for Bob, who created an entire documentary passively aggressively trashing the guy in a feeble attempt to push his way into the HOF. It was probably under the watchful eye of Jonathan who wanted Bill gone, but Bob certainly let it happen. BB took the high road.

 

[Real fan 02]

If Bill can't find anything good to say about someone who gave him complete control over the team and pretty much stayed out of the way until the last few years of a twenty-four-year tenure, then it reflects poorly on Belichick, particularly when he thanks his twenty-four-year-old "muse."

All I can say is glad we're not the Hartford patriots. I appreciate all 3 men for what they gave us for 2 plus decades.

 

[Real fan 02]

Everybody gets credit for the positive they did, Bob, Bill, Tom… but ignoring the stupidity and poor decisions is not objective. That’s just blind hero worship.

Bill is justified in not providing glowing praise for Bob, who created an entire documentary passively aggressively trashing the guy in a feeble attempt to push his way into the HOF. It was probably under the watchful eye of Jonathan who wanted Bill gone, but Bob certainly let it happen. BB took the high road.

Oh most definitely Wozzy your spot on. I was just eluding too that we should appreciate all 3 together.. it's easy to cherry pick the perceived negatives..

I remember McCourty and Slater saying how difficult 2017 ( the sons of *****es comment) was and how bad tension was in the organization. It's remarkable that BB kept the team together and getting to another SB. Kudos to Bill for that.

 

[Real fan 02]

Also in the book Bill says the Patriot Way did not exist. He says someone probably came up with the phrase and probably made money off it.

Ted Johnson said the players really established this under Parcells.. said it was a locker room thing of how they handled the locker room.

 

[Wozzy]

Oh most definitely Wozzy your spot on. I was just eluding too that we should appreciate all 3 together.. it's easy to cherry pick the perceived negatives..

I remember McCourty and Slater saying how difficult 2017 ( the sons of *****es comment) was and how bad tension was in the organization. It's remarkable that BB kept the team together and getting to another SB. Kudos to Bill for that.

Nothing lasts forever, just be classy when it ends.

 

[Wozzy]

Ted Johnson said the players really established this under Parcells.. said it was a locker room thing of how they handled the locker room.

It is how all great teams operate, senior players and leaders enforce the rules so the coaches don’t have to. I always considered “the Patriot way” to be more about self sacrifice for team glory.

Willie McGinest could have had a lot more sacks if he left for a traditional 4 man front defense that wanted him to rush upfield more often, same for Richard Seymour. The style of play wasn’t always conducive to maximizing player’s marketability and contracts… but it was effective in winning championships.

I doubt Bill even noticed this, he just knew there was a smart or right way and a wrong way. If someone else called it the Patriot Way so be it… they were the first team I can recall that exited the Super Bowl tunnel together rather than individually.

 

[Kasmir]

… they were the first team I can recall that exited the Super Bowl tunnel together rather than individually.

Give Bill the credit he deserves. It was his idea and he did it despite league opposition:

Late author David Halberstam got to the bottom of it in The Education of a Coach, his biography of Patriots coach Bill Belichick. “The League had asked him, according to tradition, whether he wanted to introduce his offensive or defensive team to both the crowd and the nation at the start of the game, and he had said, neither—he wanted to introduce the entire team,” Halberstam wrote. “League officials argued against it, because that’s not the way it was done, and told him he had to choose. … He refused to budge, so, finally, the League caved.”

Source

 

[Pape]

Looking through post.. why does it always seem to turn into a RK bashing... if he was a really bad owner he'd had said **** Boston, and moved the Organization to Connecticut or elsewhere.. I really think posters need to look at the whole Picture. It took RK, Bill and TB12 in uunison to sustain what we had for so long.. no one is perfect but all 3 men are important. Just My opinion Pape my guy!

because its not entirely about Robert Kraft... this board is a microcosm of society, where everything has become divisive rhetoric... the leaders of the pack (the media, more pointedly sports talk radio) led the way, hyper-focusing and magnifying every perceived slight between player, coach & owner... and then they'd ***** about it, relentlessly... and everybody has followed suit... me included... so instead of reveling in the halcyon days, we are tearing it down, bit by bit... no stone left unturned...

I tell you, despite being a ratings powerhouse, Michael Felger is the absolute worst thing to happen to New England Sports world... he should he reviled but instead is lauded... and while he summers on Nantucket sipping mint julips we abide in a stadium filled with misery and dissention... a pit of misery he almost single handedly created..

Scott Pioli said it best... to paraphrase him "it was everybody" ... i can't find that specific interview, otherwise I'd have embeded it... but that gem of wisdom has never taken root here... forget the Patriot haters & trolls, we have become our our worst enemy in tearing down the Greatest Dynasty in the history of the NFL.

 

[signbabybrady]

It is how all great teams operate, senior players and leaders enforce the rules so the coaches don’t have to. I always considered “the Patriot way” to be more about self sacrifice for team glory.

Willie McGinest could have had a lot more sacks if he left for a traditional 4 man front defense that wanted him to rush upfield more often, same for Richard Seymour. The style of play wasn’t always conducive to maximizing player’s marketability and contracts… but it was effective in winning championships.

I doubt Bill even noticed this, he just knew there was a smart or right way and a wrong way. If someone else called it the Patriot Way so be it… they were the first team I can recall that exited the Super Bowl tunnel together rather than individually.

Goosebumps

 

[NFL Mystique]

That was the beginning of the end for BB and BK.

BB wanted to win one like Tuna did but without Brady. Hard to say what Jimmy would have done in NE as the QB.

Not beat Jacksonville in an AFC title game when down ten in the 4th. Nor throw for 500 yards against a very good D in a SB. Despite a HC handicapping him.

I can say for certain he doesn't go into KC and win a shootout to get to a SB.

Kraft made the right choice by stopping a trade of the GOAT in order to turn things over to an above average QB.

No 6th title.

 

[Triumph]

Why did Bill stay? He was treated so badly? No one can seem to answer this question. Highest paid coach in the NFL deservedly so.. money talks ******** walks.. money and power is what Bill had. Let's not get things twisted here. This ain't a BB bashing.

BB doesn't need to say a word.

Everyone sees who Kraft is. He did not make it to the 2nd round of HOF voting. The NFLPA gave him a D rating as an NFL owner. They rate his franchise as 31st out of 32 teams. Mayo and his wife would have burned his lying axx, but Kraft is paying up so they stay quiet. You don't see Mayo hit pieces via Kraft justifying canceling Mayo after 12 months on the job.

 

[Real fan 02]

BB doesn't need to say a word.

Everyone sees who Kraft is. He did not make it to the 2nd round of HOF voting. The NFLPA gave him a D rating as an NFL owner. They rate his franchise as 31st out of 32 teams. Mayo and his wife would have burned his lying axx, but Kraft is paying up so they stay quiet. You don't see Mayo hit pieces via Kraft justifying canceling Mayo after 12 months on the job.

BB doesn't need to say a word.

Everyone sees who Kraft is. He did not make it to the 2nd round of HOF voting. The NFLPA gave him a D rating as an NFL owner. They rate his franchise as 31st out of 32 teams. Mayo and his wife would have burned his lying axx, but Kraft is paying up so they stay quiet. You don't see Mayo hit pieces via Kraft justifying canceling Mayo after 12 months on the job.

Ok... so he's no longer one the best owners in sports period?? Kept a franchise here that uplifted the town of Foxboro economy? Lauded for his presence for the NFL and CBS.. tv deals..he's no longer the humanitarian?? that has do so much for the inner cities and boys and girls club. He's the reason why his son Josh Kraft is getting serious support as Mayor of Boston..

Without the winning it's so easy to cherry pick things that Don't go so well.. he hired Bill not the other way around. Let's appreciate them both

 

[TommyD4207]

Oh look, the children are playing with cartoons. Adorable.

 

[Real fan 02]

because its not entirely about Robert Kraft... this board is a microcosm of society, where everything has become divisive rhetoric... the leaders of the pack (the media, more pointedly sports talk radio) led the way, hyper-focusing and magnifying every perceived slight between player, coach & owner... and then they'd ***** about it, relentlessly... and everybody has followed suit... me included... so instead of reveling in the halcyon days, we are tearing it down, bit by bit... no stone left unturned...

I tell you, despite being a ratings powerhouse, Michael Felger is the absolute worst thing to happen to New England Sports world... he should he reviled but instead is lauded... and while he summers on Nantucket sipping mint julips we abide in a stadium filled with misery and dissention... a pit of misery he almost single handedly created..

Scott Pioli said it best... to paraphrase him "it was everybody" ... i can't find that specific interview, otherwise I'd have embeded it... but that gem of wisdom has never taken root here... forget the Patriot haters & trolls, we have become our our worst enemy in tearing down the Greatest Dynasty in the history of the NFL.

Spot on! Pape as you always are. But let me add this. It has to start some where. And unfortunately RK isn't going to be fully appreciated until he's no longer here.

He's done countless things off the field and for the NFL and other owners that go unmentiontioned. However I digress.. it's never been about just one person it's about the 3 of them. Bill made cut his teeth as DC taking down the K gunn.. but made his legacy as a new England Patriot.

 

[TommyD4207]

Ok... so he's no longer one the best owners in sports period?? Kept a franchise here that uplifted the town of Foxboro economy? Lauded for his presence for the NFL and CBS.. tv deals..he's no longer the humanitarian?? that has do so much for the inner cities and boys and girls club. He's the reason why his son Josh Kraft is getting serious support as Mayor of Boston..

Without the winning it's so easy to cherry pick things that Don't go so well.. he hired Bill not the other way around. Let's appreciate them both

1) The players rank him 31st out of 32 teams.
2) How long does 'Kept the team in Foxboro' keep hard-carrying like this? It's been 30 ****ing years. It's been 23 years since he built that cheap-ass stadium, and has done nothing to it, except put in a lighthouse and a big scoreboard, while being near the bottom of the league in cash spending - over the last 5 years, 10 years, 20 years?
3) The 'Foxboro Economy' is now solely at Patriots Place. The rest of the town is a damn ghost town, considering all the local businesses that used to be there.
4) He's a billionaire. Charity is a tax write-off.
5) Josh Kraft has as much chance as being Mayor of Boston as you do.

Kraft's reputation got carried by the actions of Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. Period. End of story. His actions when those two weren't here and winning tell the whole story. Name another owner that has let 3 Hall of Fame Coaches go, for example. Name the owner that brought in Bobby Grier and gave him the keys when the team was winning? Name the owner that thought Jerod Mayo as head coach was such a good idea, he gave him a contract 2 years before he took the job, letting him undermine the entire coaching staff for those two years? Name the owner who threw both his quarterback and head coach, who both carried the franchise and his reputation for decades, under the bus 'For the good of the 32'. Name the owner who got popped for getting a rub and tug at a strip mall, and tried everything to kill the story, until the feds got involved? Name the owner who decided 'The Dynasty' joke of a miniseries was a great idea. Name the owner who ruined the quality of play in the league, by convincing the players that getting rid of padded practices was as good of a tradeoff as giving up a percentage of the revenue share. Injuries, concussions, keep going up, and that's why.

If you want to glaze Billionaire Bob, be my guest. I've seen enough of what he does when the two GOATs of the sport aren't around.

 

[rochrist]

Not the intent to school.

When irritated, BB has teeth.

On Casserly...

Charley Casserly explains genesis of issues between him, Bill Belichick

n January of 2010 on WEEI, Bill Belichick famously said, “Who’s been wrong more than Charley Casserly since he left the Redskins? His percentage is like a meteorologist.”

www.audacy.com

Steve Gutman was President of the Jets when BB resigned and accused Bill of going through "emotional turmoil". In the aftermath, BB said to his buddy Armen Keteyian, BB said about Gutman, "No one has talked so much and won so little"

We've played lots better safetys than him.

 

[Froob]

so I guess people can finally accept bill didnt want to keep brady

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

That was the beginning of the end for BB and BK.

BB wanted to win one like Tuna did but without Brady. Hard to say what Jimmy would have done in NE as the QB.

How do you think BB will feel if Vrabes does it? Jealous? Happy? Indifferent? "Grumble grumble, I could do it with that team and Mac....I shoulda been HC!" It will be interesting once it happens (hopefully very soon).

 

[Triumph]

How do you think BB will feel if Vrabes does it? Jealous? Happy? Indifferent? "Grumble grumble, I could do it with that team and Mac....I shoulda been HC!" It will be interesting once it happens (hopefully very soon).

When do you predict that Vrabel will do it IHOP?

Man up and tell us all about it. Or, will you ride the fence and be right regardless of the outcome.

 

[Huckleberry1]

If Bill can't find anything good to say about someone who gave him complete control over the team and pretty much stayed out of the way until the last few years of a twenty-four-year tenure, then it reflects poorly on Belichick, particularly when he thanks his twenty-four-year-old "muse."

The Patriots were worth around 465 million $$$ when Kraft gave Belichick full control over football operations. They were worth 7 Billion when he fired him, and then did a nasty hit job on the guy whose leadership brought them 6 Lombardi’s and the greatest dynasty in NDL history. If anyone owes in that relationship it’s Kraft.