How Many Of Us Agree With This Plan

[InRodWeRust]

Was that sarcasm?

No

 

[Huckleberry1]

No

I didn’t think so.

 

[JohnJH]

It's not just Sanders or a QB that a team might want to trade up for - e.g. is there someone the Bears want like Warren or maybe Membou? They're at 10 and have two 2nd rounders.

I have seen numerous reports that we're not the only team that needs a LT. But, we REALLY NEED A LT. If Campbell, with his 33" long arms (per his Pro Day and confirmed by Patriots Scouts), becomes a 6'6 320-325 Matt Light, then I say take him at #4. I DO NOT WANT Membou, who's a RT and would be a much pricier as far as draft slot Caedan Wallace (yes, I know he's physically more gifted, and yes I know that Bruce Armstrong was a RT in college). It's quite possible that both Simmons and Conerly Jr. not only go in the 1st Round, but higher than our ability to trade back into the 1st Round to get either one (at least the number and value of draft picks required to do so).

I'd rather take Campbell, who is a true gamer and tested against the best defenses in college football week in and week out for 3 seasons at LT (no, he's not a Joe Alt/Joe Thomas/Jonathan Ogden type in this draft), than an OT that's only played RT and has only been really mentioned since The Combine. If Campbell can even be a solid LT just for this season, and then by either virtue of where we're drafting next year/can move up to get someone who's better and then kick Campbell inside at LG for the long-term, then so be it. As much as Maye needs young and talented weapons (he does!), it all starts with a solid, if not great OL, not just for pass protection, but for run blocking. Solid LT's are getting more and more rare the last several drafts (which is why when a team has one, they rarely let them hit FA). I'd prefer we come out of this draft with a Day 1 solid starting LT, high upside WR (the kind that we've kept passing on or failing to draft for the last several seasons (Burden III, Jayden Higgins, Emeka Egbuka, Elic Ayomanor?), and then perhaps an Ersery or Trapilo as Swing Tackle this season/RT of the future. Cover those 3 bases, and then get the best players you can with the other picks or trade our late round picks (even the same regarding picks from next year's draft), and really get some high qaulity players and at position's that we really need them at. Just my 2 Cents.

 

[JohnJH]

I've been advocating for a similar plan for a while now.

If we come out of the first round with 1 of Hunter/Carter and one of Simmons/Conerly Jr, I think that's a super solid start to the draft.

That would be the best possible outcome. However, Simmons and Conerly Jr. might go higher in the 1st Round than we thought, as there are other teams that are in need of LT's. Moving back into the 1st Round to grab one of them might not even be possible if any other teams value them that highly. So, it's a big IF. And regarding If's, when I was a kid and would ask my Grandfather what if? His usual response was : If you're Auntie had balls she'd be your Uncle.

 

[Water Boy]

Great athlete, strong, very good length… showed out at the senior bowl for a practice then stopped. Possibly a team in the top three said they’d seen enough. Should be a consideration for the Pats.

So our top 4 draft pick is going to be a back up to Morgan Moses?

 

[mnpatfan]

Hunter is superb.

Carter is a soft, speed player. Would rather have other ends like Williams, another player, or (ideally) let some other team gives us picks for Carter if he's there at 4.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

If we deem Campbell as a guard I’d favor the move down. Take him if we’re convinced he can play LT.

I still think graham could be a guy teams would move up for if they’re convinced he doesn’t get past Jax.

 

[Wozzy]

So our top 4 draft pick is going to be a back up to Morgan Moses?

You’ve already determined he can’t play on the left side?

 

[UGAPatsfan]

I have seen numerous reports that we're not the only team that needs a LT. But, we REALLY NEED A LT. If Campbell, with his 33" long arms (per his Pro Day and confirmed by Patriots Scouts), becomes a 6'6 320-325 Matt Light, then I say take him at #4. I DO NOT WANT Membou, who's a RT and would be a much pricier as far as draft slot Caedan Wallace (yes, I know he's physically more gifted, and yes I know that Bruce Armstrong was a RT in college). It's quite possible that both Simmons and Conerly Jr. not only go in the 1st Round, but higher than our ability to trade back into the 1st Round to get either one (at least the number and value of draft picks required to do so).

I'd rather take Campbell, who is a true gamer and tested against the best defenses in college football week in and week out for 3 seasons at LT (no, he's not a Joe Alt/Joe Thomas/Jonathan Ogden type in this draft), than an OT that's only played RT and has only been really mentioned since The Combine. If Campbell can even be a solid LT just for this season, and then by either virtue of where we're drafting next year/can move up to get someone who's better and then kick Campbell inside at LG for the long-term, then so be it. As much as Maye needs young and talented weapons (he does!), it all starts with a solid, if not great OL, not just for pass protection, but for run blocking. Solid LT's are getting more and more rare the last several drafts (which is why when a team has one, they rarely let them hit FA). I'd prefer we come out of this draft with a Day 1 solid starting LT, high upside WR (the kind that we've kept passing on or failing to draft for the last several seasons (Burden III, Jayden Higgins, Emeka Egbuka, Elic Ayomanor?), and then perhaps an Ersery or Trapilo as Swing Tackle this season/RT of the future. Cover those 3 bases, and then get the best players you can with the other picks or trade our late round picks (even the same regarding picks from next year's draft), and really get some high qaulity players and at position's that we really need them at. Just my 2 Cents.

I’m talking myself into just sticking and taking Campbell. He isn’t perfect, but likely MUCH better than Lowe, even if it’s just for a year like Washington did with their guy. Not like we have a great LG either. Hell, I’d double or even triple dip with Campbell, Ersery, and maybe a Hollins-type late. That plus BPA suits me fine

 

[Triumph]

BB has left. They are not trading down.

What about the Wolf Man and his assistant Doctor Groh?

 

[Triumph]

I'm crossing my fingers and taking Campbell at 4.

Stand pat @ 4 and go LT.

Do not trade in the 2nd round unless some team offers ridiculous compensation for the pick. Meaning a player that's already proven and draft picks.

 

[JohnJH]

I’m talking myself into just sticking and taking Campbell. He isn’t perfect, but likely MUCH better than Lowe, even if it’s just for a year like Washington did with their guy. Not like we have a great LG either. Hell, I’d double or even triple dip with Campbell, Ersery, and maybe a Hollins-type late. That plus BPA suits me fine

That's actually an excellent idea! We can see how the WR Corps shakes out this season, then can address it through FA and/or the Draft next year. Although finding a gem at WR this year would be nice. For now though, the OL needs to be fixed. I'm totally on-board with your idea. By the way, if we got all 3, can you imagine Hollins at LG? That might be freaky good.

 

[Wozzy]

Membou, Jeanty, Graham and Hunter are all in play for me at 4. If they have a chance to move back 1-2 spots and still get their guy I’m game.

 

[TommyD4207]

I have seen numerous reports that we're not the only team that needs a LT. But, we REALLY NEED A LT. If Campbell, with his 33" long arms (per his Pro Day and confirmed by Patriots Scouts), becomes a 6'6 320-325 Matt Light, then I say take him at #4. I DO NOT WANT Membou, who's a RT and would be a much pricier as far as draft slot Caedan Wallace (yes, I know he's physically more gifted, and yes I know that Bruce Armstrong was a RT in college). It's quite possible that both Simmons and Conerly Jr. not only go in the 1st Round, but higher than our ability to trade back into the 1st Round to get either one (at least the number and value of draft picks required to do so).

I'd rather take Campbell, who is a true gamer and tested against the best defenses in college football week in and week out for 3 seasons at LT (no, he's not a Joe Alt/Joe Thomas/Jonathan Ogden type in this draft), than an OT that's only played RT and has only been really mentioned since The Combine. If Campbell can even be a solid LT just for this season, and then by either virtue of where we're drafting next year/can move up to get someone who's better and then kick Campbell inside at LG for the long-term, then so be it. As much as Maye needs young and talented weapons (he does!), it all starts with a solid, if not great OL, not just for pass protection, but for run blocking. Solid LT's are getting more and more rare the last several drafts (which is why when a team has one, they rarely let them hit FA). I'd prefer we come out of this draft with a Day 1 solid starting LT, high upside WR (the kind that we've kept passing on or failing to draft for the last several seasons (Burden III, Jayden Higgins, Emeka Egbuka, Elic Ayomanor?), and then perhaps an Ersery or Trapilo as Swing Tackle this season/RT of the future. Cover those 3 bases, and then get the best players you can with the other picks or trade our late round picks (even the same regarding picks from next year's draft), and really get some high qaulity players and at position's that we really need them at. Just my 2 Cents.

"I don't want the youngest guy with the best upside, and crazy measurables and track record. I'd rather have the guy with T-Rex arms who gets worked consistently by long pass rushers, when all the pass rushers in our division are tall and fast"

This is you.
This is what you sound like.

 

[patman52]

How many of us agree with this plan?
1) Draft Hunter or Carter if he is available.
2) If not, trade down a few spots or more, once or twice.
3) Draft a LT in the first round, even it takes trading a couple of picks to move back into the first.

Hunter and carter are the no brainers.
Trading back into the first for Simmons only. Not for Connoly or Ersery, both or either I would be fine with at 38, If they are off the board, take a chance on Charles grant a litlte early at 38. I would love to see Belton there at 106, if not Vinson a little later at 171.

Of course I still cant understand why Huprhries is still out there.

 

[pazrul72]

I have seen numerous reports that we're not the only team that needs a LT. But, we REALLY NEED A LT. If Campbell, with his 33" long arms (per his Pro Day and confirmed by Patriots Scouts), becomes a 6'6 320-325 Matt Light, then I say take him at #4. I DO NOT WANT Membou, who's a RT and would be a much pricier as far as draft slot Caedan Wallace (yes, I know he's physically more gifted, and yes I know that Bruce Armstrong was a RT in college). It's quite possible that both Simmons and Conerly Jr. not only go in the 1st Round, but higher than our ability to trade back into the 1st Round to get either one (at least the number and value of draft picks required to do so).

I'd rather take Campbell, who is a true gamer and tested against the best defenses in college football week in and week out for 3 seasons at LT (no, he's not a Joe Alt/Joe Thomas/Jonathan Ogden type in this draft), than an OT that's only played RT and has only been really mentioned since The Combine. If Campbell can even be a solid LT just for this season, and then by either virtue of where we're drafting next year/can move up to get someone who's better and then kick Campbell inside at LG for the long-term, then so be it. As much as Maye needs young and talented weapons (he does!), it all starts with a solid, if not great OL, not just for pass protection, but for run blocking. Solid LT's are getting more and more rare the last several drafts (which is why when a team has one, they rarely let them hit FA). I'd prefer we come out of this draft with a Day 1 solid starting LT, high upside WR (the kind that we've kept passing on or failing to draft for the last several seasons (Burden III, Jayden Higgins, Emeka Egbuka, Elic Ayomanor?), and then perhaps an Ersery or Trapilo as Swing Tackle this season/RT of the future. Cover those 3 bases, and then get the best players you can with the other picks or trade our late round picks (even the same regarding picks from next year's draft), and really get some high qaulity players and at position's that we really need them at. Just my 2 Cents.

Have you watched the film or just going off of position and scouting reports? I also wanted Campbell over Membou until i watched the players for myself. Campbell is a flawless technician who is always in the right place at the right time, but nothing he does POPS off the screen. Everything about him screams average smart player that you will never notice one way or the other on Sundays. Valuable? Certainly, but with the 4th pick in the draft we can do better. Membou on the other hand jumps off the screen and dominates. Young and not as polished, he does get beat by stunts, blitzes, and twists but when he gets his man his guy is done and on the ground half the time. Yes switching to the left side is a concern but if he does make it, and again young plus stupidly athletic, he has all pro potential. I am aboard the trade down to 10 and pick up a 2nd train over either guy but if no one is willing to trade up and we have to draft at 4 Membou over Campbell all day.

 

[stinkypete]

I'm fine with taking Deone Walker, but he should still be there in the 3rd round.
We don't need Graham, we've got two young DTs that do the same thing he does.

Deone Walker? The mid-round DT? Is this sarcasm?

 

[JohnJH]

"I don't want the youngest guy with the best upside, and crazy measurables and track record. I'd rather have the guy with T-Rex arms who gets worked consistently by long pass rushers, when all the pass rushers in our division are tall and fast"

This is you.
This is what you sound like.

Whatever.

 

[mgteich]

That would be the best possible outcome. However, Simmons and Conerly Jr. might go higher in the 1st Round than we thought, as there are other teams that are in need of LT's. Moving back into the 1st Round to grab one of them might not even be possible if any other teams value them that highly. So, it's a big IF. And regarding If's, when I was a kid and would ask my Grandfather what if? His usual response was : If you're Auntie had balls she'd be your Uncle.

I'm expecting that we would need to trade our 2nd, 3rd and 4th to move up enough to take Simmons or Connerly. Even Carter/Hunter and Eserly and a RB would be an excellent draft.

 

[TommyD4207]

Deone Walker? The mid-round DT? Is this sarcasm?

You said 'Walker' and were talking about DTs.
If you meant Jalen Walker the linebacker, I like the player, I'm not taking him at 4.