BGC 2025 OL/PTP Thread

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Weak? Maybe not elite at the interior but certainly there's some talent in the 2nd round.

Alfred Collins
Tyleik Williams
Darius Alexander

To name a few

Yes but as I said above the class as a whole is weak. I wasn't talking about IDL, the entire class is very weak as a collective. And only one of those guys you mentioned has 2nd round value. IDL isn't strong at all.

 

[PatsFan2]

Yes but as I said above the class as a whole is weak. I wasn't talking about IDL, the entire class is very weak as a collective. And only one of those guys you mentioned has 2nd round value. IDL isn't strong at all.

Miss you Brother.

 

[bakes781]

If we are picking 15 and looking for a LG. Then yes. Great player.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

What do you make of his small wingspan? Does that inherently make him easier to get around?

You could argue that, sure. It's well below standards. Like 5-6 inches. All this is stuff I factor in after I find out about though. I can look at a guy and estimate based on where his wrist/hand is next to hips. So I have a good idea but as I said before. Guys with 35" arms will have similar issues. His tape is so much more important.

 

[BTTA]

No-one is over reacting. I wish Campbell was the Pats LT for 15 years (Campbell is young). Posters act like people are against Campbell which we are not. We are for the best players possible. At #4 Campbell is no where near the best possible. If we are picking at #10 to 15 Campbell is great.

The sentiment on the main board doesn't make the distinction you are making. Being anti-Campbell is the same as being against picking him at #4.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The sentiment on the main board doesn't make the distinction you are making. Being anti-Campbell is the same as being against picking him at #4.

I think there would be nearly 100% agreement on the main board to pick Campbell at R1 #15.

 

[mgteich]

I think there would be nearly 100% agreement on the main board to pick Campbell at R1 #15.

But that is a fantasy. Campbell will be long gone at 15, even if we were to trade down to 15.

I think that top 10 may not even get us one of the "top" three: Campbell, Membou, and Banks.

25 MIGHT get us whoever is left of Simmons, Conerly and Essery.
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I don't think that Vrabel will go into the season with Lowe starting LT and a 2nd or 3rd rounder as the backup.

 

[AQPE]

Teams I expect to be in the market for an OT in this draft. This is based on what I saw about their passing last season and/or who they lost after last season.

7. Jete
10. Bears
11. Niners
25. Texans
31. Queefs

It would also not surprise me if any of the following teams are “low key”!looking also

9. Saints
13. LOLphins
14. Dolts
17. Bengals
18. Seahawks
21. Yinzers

This is why I’m not optimistic about getting one of the top 4 LT prospects if one is not taken in the top 20. If they somehow luck into Carter or Hunter at #4 and look to trade up from #38 it may be too costly to get one of those top 4 but with Simmons’ injury it’s still possible that a trade to say 24 gets them him or Conerly. Personally I’d be more than OK, in the Carter/Hunter falls to the Pats scenario, with sticking at 38 or making a less costly move up to get either Conerly, Ersery, or one of the better rated players at a different position (WRX, Edge, FS) and going back to the OT position in the 3rd.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

But that is a fantasy. Campbell will be long gone at 15, even if we were to trade down to 15.

I think that top 10 may not even get us one of the "top" three: Campbell, Membou, and Banks.

25 MIGHT get us whoever is left of Simmons, Conerly and Essery.
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I don't think that Vrabel will go into the season with Lowe starting LT and a 2nd or 3rd rounder as the backup.

Simmons and Conerly are better LT than Campbell so I would be thrilled with them. Esp outside the top 10. Both would be starting LT1 game one. Easy.

Also to the "overreacting" crowd. Or he played in the "SEC" crowd. If there's any out there. You can't overreact when a prospect is falling short in so many important categories and the bust rate is like 50%. I was the biggest Wynn fan here and Campbell's tape doesn't compare to his. We all flat out miss but ignoring his ssituation. Saying people are nitpicking or ignoring "his tape" are way more off than people actually doing their homework. I can tell you that with certainty.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Fwiw I expect Conerly and Simmons to go early RD1. Like top 20ish. Simmons won't be there at 38 and I'd be surprised if Conerly was. If we walk away with Hunter/Carter + one of them it's an A+ draft. Biggest needs, premium positions and some of the better prospects in the draft.

I'd lose my mind and seriously question this franchise if we took Campbell at 4 and someone like Golden after.

 

[mgteich]

Fwiw I expect Conerly and Simmons to go early RD1. Like top 20ish. Simmons won't be there at 38 and I'd be surprised if Conerly was. If we walk away with Hunter/Carter + one of them it's an A+ draft. Biggest needs, premium positions and some of the better prospects in the draft.

I'd lose my mind and seriously question this franchise if we took Campbell at 4 and someone like Golden after.

So, you would ecstatic with Hunter/Carter and one of the top LT's at 20ish.

Fair enough

Q1) What would it take to get to 20 to have a reasonable shot at Simmons or Conerly?
I'm guessing 38. 69 and 106. 77 would still be available for an EDGE rusher or DT.

Q2) Do you consider Banks and Ersery at their level?

 

[whybob]

Great stuffs BGC. Appreciate it.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

So, you would ecstatic with Hunter/Carter and one of the top LT's at 20ish.

Fair enough

Q1) What would it take to get to 20 to have a reasonable shot at Simmons or Conerly?
I'm guessing 38. 69 and 106. 77 would still be available for an EDGE rusher or DT.

I would do that for Simmons, little less for Conerly but yea I'd be all for it. I'm not interested in who's available at 106 in this draft. Also I'm from Billy Beane school when it comes to trades. I don't want to say "i don't care what I give up" but I'm much more concerned with what I'm getting back. Hunter is wr1 and Simmons is arguably OT1 in this draft. That's an A+ draft. You could throw darts at the board after that.

Q2) Do you consider Banks and Ersery at their level?

no

 

[VJCPatriot]

"Campbell is really talented but has some real issues in pass pro imo and I want to actually, physically verify his arms are > 33". Sounds silly but check the stats on ot prospects getting drafted in the lottery with sub 33 arms. I think they're right at 33/34 but I don't believe anyone anymore."

Tape doesnt lie. Arm length aside Campbell's tape has enough with loses on speed to power, giving up inside counters, some whiffs outside and instances where he's touched first. First contact has always been key in the trenches and Campbell is routinely touched first. His slide is probably slightly above average, somewhat stiff, causing him to cheat a lot to the outside. That's why you'll see him give up the inside counter so much. He has to cheat to try to get to his spot to allow him to make first contact. And hes just not a powerhouse, play strength is an issue. He's pushed back often.
He's the Mason Graham of the OL. Fantastic leadership qualities, very strong presence on & off the field. Very vocal, well spoken and a tough, tough kid. Brought up right, tight farm family. He's an absolute weapon in the run game. Can play in any scheme imo but would obviously thrive in a zone heavy system. He also reminds me a lot like former NEP Joe Thuney. And we've seen the problems he has when put out at tackle. Essentially you're betting on a outlier in the top 4. Lottery picks should be foundation players you plug in for 8-10 years. He's not that. I think there's an outside chance he's a slightly above average tackle at best. That's not a top 5-10 pick imo. Even in a weak draft with only one blue chip player. Lets say you try him at tackle, he doesn't work out. Well there's no guarantee he'll just kick inside and be a monster there as weve seen with Skoronski. Too much risk for a top 5 pick.

This is why I'm not sold on Campbell at #4. He smells like a guard, plays like a guard, he's a guard. I'm not taking a guard at #4 overall. and stop it with the John Hannah comps. Hannah was an all time great.

At #4 we need an impact blue chip player. That means if there's no Hunter or Carter, we need to trade down. If one of those two make it to 4 we count our blessings and call in the pick right away, zero hesitation. I wouldn't mind trading back up into the late 1st for a Simmons or Connerly. Trapilo should make it to #38 easily but maybe not quite to our early 3rd round pick at #69.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

That means if there's no Hunter or Carter, we need to trade down.

And be prepared to be seriously disappointed at the return you might get (unless of course there is more than one contender for QB2). Everyone is talking about trading down, and the draft is pretty damn flat for the ten spots or so after the three blue chips. Final insult is you also have to pay the players drafted earlier more.

 

[mgteich]

I would do that for Simmons, little less for Conerly but yea I'd be all for it. I'm not interested in who's available at 106 in this draft. Also I'm from Billy Beane school when it comes to trades. I don't want to say "i don't care what I give up" but I'm much more concerned with what I'm getting back. Hunter is wr1 and Simmons is arguably OT1 in this draft. That's an A+ draft. You could throw darts at the board after that.

no

Hunter/Carter, Simmons/Conerly and
throwing a #77 dart at a RB!

Yes, an A+ draft.

 

[Boomer B]

Awesome to see you back in action BCG. Your draft insight helps make this site as great as it is.

 

[DaBruinz]

He would better than what we had imo. I wouldn't draft a tackle at 4. I think 2 QBs are going top 3. If that happens you would need to be a double agent or complete moron to F up this draft. Take A)Hunter or B)Carter in that order imo and try to trade up to get Nolan. Take the best OT after that and you walk away with an A+.

If a team came to the Pats offering a trade down with their 1st and 2nd this year and a 1st or 2nd next year, it would be foolish to pass that up, It doesn't matter who is there at 4.

 

[DaBruinz]

No-one is over reacting. I wish Campbell was the Pats LT for 15 years (Campbell is young). Posters act like people are against Campbell which we are not. We are for the best players possible. At #4 Campbell is no where near the best possible. If we are picking at #10 to 15 Campbell is great.

There are numerous posters who ARE against Campbell. Particularly the ones who harp on the guy's armlength while ignoring Campbell's results against top tier talent.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

There are numerous posters who ARE against Campbell. Particularly the ones who harp on the guy's armlength while ignoring Campbell's results against top tier talent.

Maybe. Why would anyone care about that?