Do people REALLY think Membou, a RT, IS Better than Campbell at LT?

[RobertWeathers]

If Barmore is health and you just signed Williams, both on big deals; who are you starting Graham over? In order to play 3 DTs you are rotating someone.

Who starts is irrelevant.

Milton is not playing 80% of snaps a game and neither is Barmore. Tonga is a 15% guy.

 

[n1997y]

It’s not an unreasonable take.
Switching from right to left is severely overrated. Almost every LT starts out playing on the right side in college and switches.
It’s about the skill set not where you lined up. LT and RT are the same thing with the football reversed. It’s an easy adjustment.
Saying Membou can’t play on the left is more silly that saying Campbell arms are too short, which is also silly.
Anyone taking a closed minded no way in hell approach to either side is the crazy take.

That seems like you’re saying there’s no difference between people who are left handed and people who are right handed. Like it’s an easy adjustment for someone who writes left handed to start writing right handed, when there are actually differences in how the brain is wired.

 

[n1997y]

For me it’s less about arm length and more about total wingspan, width isn’t a result of arms alone, torso also plays a big part of it.

Seems to me it’s going to depend on what that length is needed for. Torso doesn’t bend or fold much, it’s all side to side. So if what you have to do is grappling and holding off someone in front of you the torso is irrelevant, that’s all arm length. But it does widen the space you can reach side to side so if it’s being able to reach someone going around you it might be helpful. So it seems to me torso help some times, arm length will always be a factor. But of course there are so many other factors it’s not easy to break it all down. That’s what makes discussing it, and seeing what actually happens, so interesting.

 

[n1997y]

...switching from one side to the other is “like wiping your ass with the other hand.”

Is that spoken by someone who has done it? Where can I find that reference, please?

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I think the "anti-Campbell" crowd has a few different groups:

1) People who totally dismiss him on the measurements with no interest in considering anything else

2) People who have actually scouted his tape and still see concerns with how he'll translate as a prospect

3) People who just think another LT will project better at the NFL level

4) People who, even though LT is pretty universally regarded as our biggest need for the here and now, just see better players on the board at other positions that they think will help the franchise more in the long run


#1 and #2 can serve as the basis for why someone falls into the #3 or #4 group.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think Membou’s ceiling is higher, but Campbell is more of a sure thing. And I agree with Vrabel that Campbell is a tackle.

 

[Ring 6]

That seems like you’re saying there’s no difference between people who are left handed and people who are right handed. Like it’s an easy adjustment for someone who writes left handed to start writing right handed, when there are actually differences in how the brain is wired.

That’s a terrible analogy. A LT doesn’t “play left handed”

I will say however that when I was in high school I broke my left thumb on the football field and did learn how to write right handed while I had a cast on. It wasn’t very hard.

It’s football. The difference is whether the qb is on your left or your right. You still have to block the guy

 

[Sciz]

Nine college tackles were drafted in the first round last year. One played exclusively at his primary college position during his rookie season.

 

[Wozzy]

Seems to me it’s going to depend on what that length is needed for. Torso doesn’t bend or fold much, it’s all side to side. So if what you have to do is grappling and holding off someone in front of you the torso is irrelevant, that’s all arm length. But it does widen the space you can reach side to side so if it’s being able to reach someone going around you it might be helpful. So it seems to me torso help some times, arm length will always be a factor. But of course there are so many other factors it’s not easy to break it all down. That’s what makes discussing it, and seeing what actually happens, so interesting.

It's simply a matter off circumnavigating a wider obstacle. Again I think Will Campbell is an exceptional athlete who will be able to play any line position relatively well. I just think he is better suited for guard and I don't want a guard at #4.

I said the same thing about Peter Skoronski the year before last, posters argued with me he could absolutely play OT... two years later and after the Titans tried him there... he is now a guard. He is a very good guard, but he's a guard nevertheless.

 

[Patsfan1645]

I look at Campbells disadvantage from the perspective of someone who did mma and kickboxing. When you fight someone with longer reach you have to be some form or combination of two traits. You have to have quickness and you need to have good footwork and understand angles to overcome that reach advantage. Watching tape on Campbell he seems to be decent at both. Does this offset his shorter arms? I'm sure it help to some degree. What does any of this mean...absolutely nothing until we see what he does this year. Even if we don't take him I want to follow him closely as this has been a very long detailed multi-opinionated discussion.

 

[JayNM]

Some trivia:

Trivia 1: Only two men have ever had the prerequisite measurements and exhibited Membou's athletic traits, including running a sub-5 40: Tristan Wirfs and Trent Williams.

Trivia 2: Both Wirfs and Williams were RTs in college. It's never easy, but if you have the traits, talent, and are young enough, it's not uncommon to make the switch.

Trivia 3: Caedan Wallace and Chuks Okorafor are 4 and 6 years older than Membou. They also have less athleticism combined in their whole bodies than Membou does in his pinky toe. Bringing up how switching them worked out brings nothing to the discussion.

Trivia 4: Nobody has ever done what we want Will Campbell to do--- become a functional OT in the NFL with a 77 inch wingspan. He'd be the very first. Is that the gamble we want to take?

Best argument for me is this


Number 4 especially, if it checks out, makes me really worried if we are to draft Campbell as LT

To break a "never" trend you really need to have SOMETHING magical

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I disagree. The best use of the pick is on a player who will help Drake Maye lead the offense to 30 ppg, healthy and becomes a fanchise cornerstone.

If it's a guard that makes 10 all-pro teams then it was well worth it.

You don't draft guards in the lottery. It doesn't make sense.

The position isn't valuable enough and certainly isn't helping you score 30 points per game.

Even future HOF or HOF caliber guards like a Nelson or Scherff aren't moving the needle that much in terms of points or wins.

Lottery picks should be QB, OT, WR, DL. One of the best players in the draft is a RB and we don't need to go over why it's a bad use of the 4th overall pick. Especially for a team like ours.

 

[JayNM]

straight up messy?

For some ******s around, appereantly straight up impossible

 

[RobertWeathers]

You don't draft guards in the lottery. It doesn't make sense.

The position isn't valuable enough and certainly isn't helping you score 30 points per game.

Even future HOF or HOF caliber guards like a Nelson or Scherff aren't moving the needle that much in terms of points or wins.

Lottery picks should be QB, OT, WR, DL. One of the best players in the draft is a RB and we don't need to go over why it's a bad use of the 4th overall pick. Especially for a team like ours.

If the G is a sure-fire all-pro and you want to run the football and protect the QB from up the middle pressure you do.

We have different draft philosophies. Moving on.

 

[Water Boy]

None of these picks at #4 are a slam dunk. This is a weak draft. So guess what to do? Trade down, stay in top 10, pick up an OT, and accumulate another 1st or 2nd pick if you can find some desperate sucker to trade up with you. I'm talking to you Bears, Raiders, Saints etc.

The current writing on the wall is that Carter and Hunter are off the board at 3 and Sanders stock is falling. The Saints look like the only team that might be desperate enough for a QB to trade up for Sanders. Other than that, I'm not seeing any realistic trade down scenarios for the Pats.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

A lot of compelling material has been written about Campbell's dominating performance against SEC opponents. But what I haven't seen, is an analysis of his performance against specific defenders who were older than him and have subsequently gone on to the NFL, including how these individuals have performed as pros. I think that would make for an interesting projection of Campbell's future.

BGC showed a video of Campbell versus Kennard from 2024. Kennard is projected as a 3rd round pick in 2025, so if Campbell is a 1st round pick he should dominate Kennard. TL DR - Campbell's performance against a futre NFL 3rd rounder was not great. Kennard bull rushed Campbell and made inside moves as Campbell set up too deep. If anyone looks at the clip and is honest, Campbell does not look like a Top 10 draft pick.

 

[TommyD4207]

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

If the G is a sure-fire all-pro and you want to run the football and protect the QB from up the middle pressure you do.

We have different draft philosophies. Moving on.

What player is a sure-fire All-Pro? That player does not exist.

 

[RobertWeathers]

What player is a sure-fire All-Pro? That player does not exist.

The consensus is worst case scenario Campbell will be an elite guard.

 

[TommyD4207]

BGC showed a video of Campbell versus Kennard from 2024. Kennard is projected as a 3rd round pick in 2025, so if Campbell is a 1st round pick he should dominate Kennard. TL DR - Campbell's performance against a futre NFL 3rd rounder was not great. Kennard bull rushed Campbell and made inside moves as Campbell set up too deep. If anyone looks at the clip and is honest, Campbell does not look like a Top 10 draft pick.

Kyle Kennard - 6'5" 255, 4.7
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Bradley Chubb - 6'4" 270, 4.65
Chop Robinson - 6'3" 255 4.5
Jaelen Phillips - 6'5" 255 4.6

Greg Rousseau - 6'7 265 4.7
Joey Bosa - 6'5" 270 4.7

Will McDonald - 6'4" 250 4.7
Jermaine Johnson - 6'6" 250 4.7

Campbell ain't comin through that door.