Breer: Pats out on Robinson, considering an LT by committee approach? (Update: likely fake Reddit post)[3/19: signs w/Texans]

[imahobgoblin]

Membou shines over gator armed Campbell all day long

Yes, at right tackle. Membou has never once shined at left tackle. If you next argument is that neither has Campbell, then you are a liar. Campbell is the best left tackle in college football. The question is if his game translates to the NFL. Another fact is that Campbell would be a massive upgrade over Lowe, even with his squatty arms. Sure, Campbell might struggle with some pass rushers, but not like Low.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Yes, at right tackle. Membou has never once shined at left tackle. If you next argument is that neither has Campbell, then you are a liar. Campbell is the best left tackle in college football. The question is if his game translates to the NFL. Another fact is that Campbell would be a massive upgrade over Lowe, even with his squatty arms. Sure, Campbell might struggle with some pass rushers, but not like Low.

Campbell is not a left tackle in the NFL dude. Get it through your head. His wingspan is historically low, the only NFL left tackle with a shorter wingspan than campbell in the last 25 years went undrafted. His 32 5/8” arm length is also completely unsuitable for a left tackle in the nfl. For him to succeed as a left tackle in the NFL he would have to be a complete outlier. Otherwise, you’re spending a 4th overall pick on a guard when there are genetic freaks available at 4 who can score touchdowns or sack the QB.

Campbell at 4th overall is a massive reach. And yes, I would bet on Membou being able to transition from RT to LT easier than Campbell being able to overcome severe physical deficiencies. Even if you’re right about Lowe, you don’t replace him at 4th overall unless with a marquee LT.

Personally, I don’t think any LT in this draft is worth it for 4 overall. If you want a LT, draft one in the second or trade down in the first.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Campbell is not a left tackle in the NFL dude. Get it through your head. His wingspan is historically low, the only NFL left tackle with a shorter wingspan than campbell in the last 25 years went undrafted. His 32 5/8” arm length is also completely unsuitable for a left tackle in the nfl. For him to succeed as a left tackle in the NFL he would have to be a complete outlier. Otherwise, you’re spending a 4th overall pick on a guard when there are genetic freaks available at 4 who can score touchdowns or sack the QB.

Campbell at 4th overall is a massive reach. And yes, I would bet on Membou being able to transition from RT to LT easier than Campbell being able to overcome severe physical deficiencies. Even if you’re right about Lowe, you don’t replace him at 4th overall unless with a marquee LT.

Personally, I don’t think any LT in this draft is worth it for 4 overall. If you want a LT, draft one in the second or trade down in the first.

Campbell is not even in the NFL so how could he be a left tackle in the NFL? Get it through your heard, some believe he will be a good left tack. And plenty don't care about your opinion. Get it through your head also that Lowe was our left tackle last year, and one of the worst in the league. Get it though your head that Campbell would be an instant upgrade over Lowe even if he was just a dead body thrown onto the field.

 

[Ring 6]

OT a #4 has GOT to be a non-starter just on principle. Much like the QB situation, there isn't anyone available worthy of the pick. So while you might pick a QB even though the value isn't there, given how hard it is to pick QB's and how important the position is, it is LIKELY that there will be one or two QB's picked in the first 4 picks this year. You cannot do that with an OT, especially when you need a LT and the player you are looking at isn't physically ideal for the position.

I don't have a problem with Campbell or any of the other top names, or taking an OT first, just not at #4. If Hunter, Carter, or Graham are there you have to go with them. If OT is your presumptive need, then you HAVE to trade down.

I'm reading that while this is not a very deep draft at the "blue chip" level, it IS deep at the next level. There will be a lot of NFL starters taken on the 2nd day and it wouldn't hurt to have another shot at one.

There are a number of LTs that are 1st round caliber and all certainly won’t go in the top 15 or 20. So trading down makes sense. I’d like the pick to be Simmons.
With the extra picks received you can also move back up into the first round and take a wr. That would be ideal to me.

 

[patfanken]

Campbell is not a left tackle in the NFL dude. Get it through your head. His wingspan is historically low, the only NFL left tackle with a shorter wingspan than campbell in the last 25 years went undrafted. His 32 5/8” arm length is also completely unsuitable for a left tackle in the nfl. For him to succeed as a left tackle in the NFL he would have to be a complete outlier. Otherwise, you’re spending a 4th overall pick on a guard when there are genetic freaks available at 4 who can score touchdowns or sack the QB.

Campbell at 4th overall is a massive reach. And yes, I would bet on Membou being able to transition from RT to LT easier than Campbell being able to overcome severe physical deficiencies. Even if you’re right about Lowe, you don’t replace him at 4th overall unless with a marquee LT.

Personally, I don’t think any LT in this draft is worth it for 4 overall. If you want a LT, draft one in the second or trade down in the first.

In the end, ALL that matters is if Campbell is good enough to keep pass rushers away from the QB, and if he can move very big people out of the way in the running game. Arm length is only one of a dozen factors once the ball is snapped.

To that any I am curious about THIS argument concerning Cambell's value. He seems to have an excellent success rate against some of the best pass rushers to come out of the SEC the last 3 years. And speaking of good pass rushers, didn't he have a game this year against Abdul Carter, who is supposedly a "generational" freak guy and the presumptive #1 pick on a lot of draft geeks boards.

I'm kinda surprised that I'm not seen more about how that battle went get into this kind of discussion. You would think there would be a lot of film cut ups about that game given they are both top 10 guys.

 

[Ring 6]

In the end, ALL that matters is if Campbell is good enough to keep pass rushers away from the QB, and if he can move very big people out of the way in the running game. Arm length is only one of a dozen factors once the ball is snapped.

To that any I am curious about THIS argument concerning Cambell's value. He seems to have an excellent success rate against some of the best pass rushers to come out of the SEC the last 3 years. And speaking of good pass rushers, didn't he have a game this year against Abdul Carter, who is supposedly a "generational" freak guy and the presumptive #1 pick on a lot of draft geeks boards.

I'm kinda surprised that I'm not seen more about how that battle went get into this kind of discussion. You would think there would be a lot of film cut ups about that game given they are both top 10 guys.

Saying his arms are shorter than other LTs and saying that prevented him from being able to play the position are not the same thing. It’s a huge over assumption that this is the case, and Dante Scar says it is not.

 

[captain stone]

Or Conerly or Banks.

fify

 

[Thunderhead]

LT by committee and no WR 1/2/3 on the roster. Gonna be a fun year!

 

[Huckleberry1]

You could very well be right. My point is that I don't think the Pats are going to rely on projections because they have no margin for error. If the rookie isn't ready to play LT at a high level to start the season, then they're playing Lowe, which I don't think is anyone's idea of a good plan. I think they're going to take the safe pick rather than the one with the highest ceiling. I don't know if they think that's Campbell or someone else, but I'd be surprised if they didn't take someone who has played LT at a high level in college.

They shouldn’t be drafting anyone with next season as their primary concern, they should be drafting high ceiling players for the long run. Whether they see that as Membou, Campbell, Banks, Simmons, or even Conerly doesn’t really matter to me, I just want a great player who will contribute at a high level for years to come.

 

[Ring 6]

fify

Nah Campbell is much better

 

[TommyD4207]

Campbell is not even in the NFL so how could he be a left tackle in the NFL? Get it through your heard, some believe he will be a good left tack. And plenty don't care about your opinion. Get it through your head also that Lowe was our left tackle last year, and one of the worst in the league. Get it though your head that Campbell would be an instant upgrade over Lowe even if he was just a dead body thrown onto the field.

He's not, I'll be surprised if he ever plays a down a left tackle.

Membou's never played left tackle because Missouri already had a long-time guy there. Membou is a prototypical left tackle. Even if for whatever reason it takes him some time to adjust to it.

The people you're listening to told me Tristan Wirfs would only be a right tackle too. Membou isn't Wirfs, but he's close.

 

[mike_usagisan]

They shouldn’t be drafting anyone with next season as their primary concern, they should be drafting high ceiling players for the long run. Whether they see that as Membou, Campbell, Banks, Simmons, or even Conerly doesn’t really matter to me, I just want a great player who will contribute at a high level for years to come.

I agree, but they painted themselves into a corner by not signing a stopgap LT.

 

[imahobgoblin]

He's not, I'll be surprised if he ever plays a down a left tackle.

Membou's never played left tackle because Missouri already had a long-time guy there. Membou is a prototypical left tackle. Even if for whatever reason it takes him some time to adjust to it.

The people you're listening to told me Tristan Wirfs would only be a right tackle too. Membou isn't Wirfs, but he's close.

You are ridiculous. A prototypical body does not mean the player will automatically be a tackle on either side. Mekhi Becton is 6 ft 7 and 363lbs. His arm length is 35 5/8’’ and hands 10 3/4’’. He had to transition to guard because his prototypical fanny could not play tackle.

It makes no difference what excuse you give for Membou not playing left tackle. It is still a fact that he hasn't and you have no idea if he can. Perhaps he can, or perhaps you are just talking out of your rear.

I am not listening to any people. You just make crap up so you can read your own posts. Membou is not a lock to be a good LT. He is a prospect who has never done it. Nothing more.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

"No Problem"
Go FK your hand, sick of hearing this GARBAGE about just changing position.
"Like Wiping from your other hand"
Sure, let's do it, Chuks was super excited last year.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

I'm SURE SOME College RTS moved to LT and were successful, HOW MANY/PERCENTAGE?
Draft Position?
IDGAS WHO they get, he HAS to be Ready And ABLE to protect Maye from the fkn JUMP.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Who wants a fkn PROJECT to watch over Drake Maye? HOPING he'll make a slide from RT to LT?
No fkn problem,that was college , he'll be fine...

This is our FUTURE at qb, our Field General, the HARDEST GUY TO FIND.
What The **** are you Talking about .

 

[PatsFan2]

You are ridiculous. A prototypical body does not mean the player will automatically be a tackle on either side. Mekhi Becton is 6 ft 7 and 363lbs. His arm length is 35 5/8’’ and hands 10 3/4’’. He had to transition to guard because his prototypical fanny could not play tackle.

It makes no difference what excuse you give for Membou not playing left tackle. It is still a fact that he hasn't and you have no idea if he can. Perhaps he can, or perhaps you are just talking out of your rear.

I am not listening to any people. You just make crap up so you can read your own posts. Membou is not a lock to be a good LT. He is a prospect who has never done it. Nothing more.

Becton got excellent Coaching in Philly last year; I think he could be a two way player along the OL. Thought we would have gave him a look: he signed with the Chargers. Looks like a Triple dip at Offensive Tackle is coming: Ozzie Trapilo will be one of them.

 

[PatsFan2]

They have no acceptable starting LT. They need someone who has played the position. Not someone they think they can convert.

People like Josh Simmons but isn't the rumor that he sits out the entire year after that injury?? I think people here are sleeping on A Ersery: I would be happy if we get Membou after a Trade down and Ersery in the Second or Third.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

People like Josh Simmons but isn't the rumor that he sits out the entire year after that injury?? I think people here are sleeping on A Ersery: I would be happy if we get Membou after a Trade down and Ersery in the Second or Third.

Why, do we need a RIGHT TACKLE?

 

[imahobgoblin]

Becton got excellent Coaching in Philly last year; I think he could be a two way player along the OL. Thought we would have gave him a look: he signed with the Chargers. Looks like a Triple dip at Offensive Tackle is coming: Ozzie Trapilo will be one of them.

I does not matter what you "think" about a player. The only reality is how he plays. People don't succeed based upon your fantasy about them. Becton failed at tackle and was good at guard. That is reality. Becton was never a lock for this team because he is a left right guard. Left guard is a weakness. As much as the fools on this forum want to suggest it, switching to the opposite side isn't an easy thing. Only a few can handle it. How could Becton be a lock if we just paid Owenu?/ Oh ya that's right, according to other fools, we are cutting or trading Owenu and taking a $27 million cap hit. lol.