Tetairoa McMillan runs a 4.48-4.55 at Pro Day

[Wozzy]

You can say this same statement about almost every player with top ten consideration this year.

This is the #4 overall pick we’re talking about, they can’t afford to fritter that away because they want to finish the DL rebuild with a light heavyweight like Graham.

This is the #4 overall pick we’re talking about, they can’t afford to fritter that away on just a TE (Warren).

This is the #4 overall pick we’re talking about, they can’t afford to fritter that away on an LT who projects to guard.

You can even do it with Carter and Hunter.

This is the #4 overall pick we’re talking about, they can’t afford to fritter that away because they feel the best prospect is some two way gimmick.

This is the #4 overall pick we’re talking about, they can’t afford to fritter that away on another defensive player especially one with foot issues.

They can measure athleticism, they can compare college production… does Tet check those boxes?

N’Keal put up good numbers at Arizona in the BIG12 also. I don’t see it at #4 overall.

 

[Wozzy]

Maybe, but it’s a crying shame our young franchise QB will once again have to carry the offense through the season without one redzone threat or capable playmaker.

As someone said in another thread,
How long does it take to solve a positional problem? It’s been 5 ****ing seasons since the Pats have had any player that could qualify as close to a #1 WR.

It’s honestly impressive to be so horrible at signing or drafting a receiver for so long.

Maye and the current weapons will look substantially better if they fix the offensive line. The line and poor coaching was a much bigger problem last season than a lack of weapons.

 

[signbabybrady]

They can measure athleticism, they can compare college production… does Tet check those boxes?

N’Keal put up good numbers at Arizona in the BIG12 also. I don’t see it at #4 overall.

I'm sure there are plenty of failed short arm LT that played in the state of Louisiana I fail to see Harry as having any relevance in this decision whatsoever.

 

[signbabybrady]

Maye and the current weapons will look substantially better if they fix the offensive line. The line and poor coaching was a much bigger problem last season than a lack of weapons.

Just saying LT/OL is a bigger problem doesn't fix it.

If you like Campbell and that's who you want (and I'm not sure exactly who you want so this is just an example) I accept the arguments about him being a 4 year starter and going up against great competition and things like that as a valid argument.

Stating LT/OL is a bigger need means nothing. And pointless Kneal Harry comps also mean nothing.

 

[lancerman]

Is he Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss or Larry Fitzgerald?

He ran a 4.5 forty at his pro day, the one thing I’m sure of is he does not possess elite speed or agility.

This is the #4 overall pick we’re talking about, they can’t afford to fritter that away because they feel desperate at the WR position. That’s how you end up taking Polk when he should have been drafted just ahead of Baker.

A draft isn't in the context of all time, it's in the context of the draft the players are in. There's no Calvin Johnson in this draft, there's no Joe Thomas/Joe Alt in this draft, there's no Reggie Bush in this draft.

By your standard, if Carter and Hunter are gone, we shouldn't pick anybody at 4 of 5 or 6 or 7 because all the guys we could draft there have high upside but a questionmark somewhere. You can't approach a draft like that. That's how you become paralyzed and make perfect the enemy of the good because you don't like the hand you were dealt.

Polk is a bad example because the issue there was never that we took a pass catcher. The issue was that we passed up on one who was far more lauded because we got cute and thought Polk was similar value when he wasn't. We should have passed up on the value in a trade and got Ladd. We'd have been better off.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Maye and the current weapons will look substantially better if they fix the offensive line. The line and poor coaching was a much bigger problem last season than a lack of weapons.

I like you Wozzy but our receivers STINK. All of them. None can threaten a defense.

 

[lancerman]

You can say this same statement about almost every player with top ten consideration this year.

This is the #4 overall pick we’re talking about, they can’t afford to fritter that away because they want to finish the DL rebuild with a light heavyweight like Graham.

This is the #4 overall pick we’re talking about, they can’t afford to fritter that away on just a TE (Warren).

This is the #4 overall pick we’re talking about, they can’t afford to fritter that away on an LT who projects to guard.

You can even do it with Carter and Hunter.

This is the #4 overall pick we’re talking about, they can’t afford to fritter that away because they feel the best prospect is some two way gimmick.

This is the #4 overall pick we’re talking about, they can’t afford to fritter that away on another defensive player especially one with foot issues.

You can do this with a trade too "this is the #4 overall pick we are talking about, we can't settle for anything less than a major haul".

The reality is, the pick is only as good as the draft it's in, and in this draft the #4 overall isn't all that valuable. There's two premier talents and there's 1 high prospect QB. After that, you have to assume some risk or punt and make a trade where the person you trade with will get to say "you don't want to make that pick either, and you know we are going to assume some risk with whoever we get, so this isn't going to be some blow away trade".

 

[Ring 6]

I am coming up with less than 16 inches. My math might be off, but ain't much of a difference.....straight-line-in-underwear-with-no-defender-wise....

I asked AI it said 40 yards at 4.48 vs 4.53 would be 1.33 feet different.

 

[PatsFan2]

A draft isn't in the context of all time, it's in the context of the draft the players are in. There's no Calvin Johnson in this draft, there's no Joe Thomas/Joe Alt in this draft, there's no Reggie Bush in this draft.

By your standard, if Carter and Hunter are gone, we shouldn't pick anybody at 4 of 5 or 6 or 7 because all the guys we could draft there have high upside but a questionmark somewhere. You can't approach a draft like that. That's how you become paralyzed and make perfect the enemy of the good because you don't like the hand you were dealt.

Polk is a bad example because the issue there was never that we took a pass catcher. The issue was that we passed up on one who was far more lauded because we got cute and thought Polk was similar value when he wasn't. We should have passed up on the value in a trade and got Ladd. We'd have been better off.

You never Draft Need and take a lesser player Polk fooled me too: I thought he was better than he showed. Hopefully Javon Baker get's it in 25 I really liked his tape: but I didn't know his learning curve would be this steep.

 

[lancerman]

I like you Wozzy but our receivers STINK. All of them. None can threaten a defense.

The receivers also routinely grade poorly independently of he line.

I've seen people make excuses for our receivers for 6 years

-Brady's checked out
-Cam sucks
-Mac sucks
-Zappe/Stidham suck
-the line is bad
-this lineman is injured
-oh **** this lineman is bad and the receivers still aren't getting open.

MAYBE if we had a top 5 QB and a top 5 offensive line we could get by with mid receivers who have all the time in the world to get open, that isn't happening. You need some level of talent.

 

[Nunchucks]

Not saying its on you but we've been over this a thousand times on the surface I don't think many disagree about LT.

But if Tet is just the better prospect than Campbell you might still need both again next year if you force Campbell. Same for the other way around too.

Wolf and Vrabel really are getting put in the fire on this decision. It's not quite like last year where there really was no choice but to go Maye.

Not going to be a good look if Vrabel screws up his first pick with us and it could get Wolf fired.

Except Maye could be in the hospital if the patriots cannot block

 

[lancerman]

Except Maye could be in the hospital if the patriots cannot block

If Campbell's arms force him to guard, Maye still has an issue on his blindside and goes to the hospital.

A player just doesn't measure out better because we want to fill the position. At this point, I'm far more confident in Tet who has good tape and measured out well over Campbell who has a huge red flag that usually means "he won't cut it at LT"

 

[PatsFan2]

Maye and the current weapons will look substantially better if they fix the offensive line. The line and poor coaching was a much bigger problem last season than a lack of weapons.

No they won't we need a Legitimate #2 to push all those guys down a notch: K Bourne Sucks yeah I said it Patsfans. We need a guy whether it's Brandon Aiyuk or a Super Rookie to elevate both K Boutte and Pop Douglas. IF Polk or Baker can't outplay K Bourne they shouldn't be in this league.

 

[MrTibbs]

All this chatter about Hunter or Tet with the #4 pick. I'd bet Will Campbell will be the guy in the end.

 

[TommyD4207]

I'm not taking Golden over Teta Mc not even in an alternative universe.

I'm taking Travis Hunter. If I take Golden, it's in the 2nd, if he's not there, I'm taking Bond. If he's not there, I'm taking Ersery. That was a list of 'Receivers I think will be the best pros'.

McMillan will be an Amazon driver in 4 years.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

All this chatter about Hunter or Tet with the #4 pick. I'd bet Will Campbell will be the guy in the end.

If we pass on Hunter for Campbell, the entire front office should be fired on the spot

 

[Ray Ray 717]

I'm taking Travis Hunter. If I take Golden, it's in the 2nd, if he's not there, I'm taking Bond. If he's not there, I'm taking Ersery. That was a list of 'Receivers I think will be the best pros'.

McMillan will be an Amazon driver in 4 years.

Good receivers are very valuable to teams, highly doubt any of those guys drop to the 2nd.

What’s your problem with McMillan and please do not bring up the name N’Keal Harry because they do not resemble each other at all in talent or playing style

 

[PatsFan2]

If we pass on Hunter for Campbell, the entire front office should be fired on the spot

Who do you think is the better WR T Hunter or Tet McMillan?? I'm leaning towards Tet slightly and I love all the things Hunter brings.

 

[TommyD4207]

Good receivers are very valuable to teams, highly doubt any of those guys drop to the 2nd.

What’s your problem with McMillan and please do not bring up the name N’Keal Harry because they do not resemble each other at all in talent or playing style

Fine, he's Keyshawn Johnson. A receiver archetype that last saw its heyday 2 decades ago. Those types of receivers do not succeed in the modern NFL. You still need to separate if you're tall. Jump balls aren't an offensive plan. It's like 2000s basketball, iso your one good player, and clear everyone out to the other side.

Outside of *maybe* Mike Evans, although he's become a much better route runner in the NFL and always got separation (because he had to with Johnny Manziel in college), name me the slow, jump ball, """"route runner"""" (McMillan's route-running is fine, not great, certainly not top-5 worthy) that's succeeded in the league in the last 10-15 years.

Teams talk themselves into this kind of receiver every year, and yes, the Patriots talked themselves into N'Keal Harry (although at least that was pick 32). And the success rate is incredibly low. Much lower than the undersized fast guy archetype (McConkey).

It's pick 4. If it were pick 24, I would maybe start to consider it, but it's not. 4 is generational-type talent, or trade down. That's it. Settling for a mid-to-low-first round talent (McMillan, Campbell, Carter) would be a disaster.

 

[TommyD4207]

Who do you think is the better WR T Hunter or Tet McMillan?? I'm leaning towards Tet slightly and I love all the things Hunter brings.

You've had some crazy takes in your time my friend. This might be near the very top of the list.