What’s our plan at Wide Receiver?

[PatsFan2]

I say.

If you're bringing him in as a mentor, cool. If you're bringing him in expecting Amari Cooper of 5 years ago, you're out of your tree.

Tommy I'm not a fan though I preferred him over Mac Collins.

 

[TommyD4207]

Tommy I'm not a fan though I preferred him over Mac Collins.

They were on the same team last year.
Guess who had better numbers?

 

[PatsFan2]

They were on the same team last year.
Guess who had better numbers?

Me... me... me Shakir??

 

[Toofy]

I read an interesting article at profootballtalk.com regarding the quantity of WR free agents still available. The quote that caught my attention was "The fact that so many receivers are available at this point is a sign that the position is becoming in some respects like running back. Every year, young, cheap, healthy, and productive options are available in the draft class." (I note that there are ~14 WRs in this year's draft expected to go in first three rounds). The receivers still available that are mentioned in the article are Amari Cooper, Stefon Diggs, Keenan Allen, Brandin Cooks, Tyler Lockett, Diontae Johnson, Robert Woods, Nelson Agholor, JuJu, Tyler Boyd, and Mecole Hardman. Others not mentioned Elijah Moore, Tyler Johnson, Deandre Carter. I'm curious what the Patsfans community thinks. Are WRs becoming like RBs? Is supply of non-elite WR > than demand? In terms of roster construction, can you successfully allocate less cap space to WR and build a winning and sustainable model? Any thoughts on this are much appreciated.

I think it's a good point. Offensive tackles and linemen are very difficult to come up the ranks. Whereas wide receivers are coming up by the dozens in college ranks every year. So build your core and keep drafting wide receiver every year in first 2 rounds till you get a wr 1 and extend him when time comes while wr2..5 should be vets and rookies on mid level / low level contracts. If the QB gets paid 50 million it's for him to extract greatness out of ordinary receivers. No point throwing to studs .

We need to play a different version of team building as compared to Bengals or eagles as I feel the cap will come to bite every freaking one in next 3 years and that's when we have our window and at that time we wouldn't want to be cash strapped or talent strapped. We technically would compete on maye's year 4,5, 6,7 .

So get him accustomed to playing with certain handicaps and slowly mitigate some of them while building a solid all round defense . If we land a wr1 and LT in draft in next 2 years that's 50% of problem solved . So just keep punting on it this draft and next draft. Wr is a challenge as we drafted 2 picks last year with colossal coaching failure. No way we can give up on so much draft capital even if it sounds like sunk cost . Draft 2 OTs and a RB in first 3 rounds this year.

 

[Real fan 02]

I say.

If you're bringing him in as a mentor, cool. If you're bringing him in expecting Amari Cooper of 5 years ago, you're out of your tree.

He would likely be a veteran who knows how to prepare and be a professional.. I'd also make mention getting something out of polk and baker is at the upmost of importance.. this offense is begging for talent at WR.

 

[Brotherblues]

They were on the same team last year.
Guess who had better numbers?

Cooper in half a season with the Billdos: 32 targets, 9.3 yards per target
Hollins in a full season with the Billdos: 50 targets, 7.6 yards per target.

Cooper was still very effective in a limited role.

 

[The Gr8est]

I’d be looking at Tyler Lockett and maybe a Brandin Cooks reunion.

The Saints drafted Cooks in the 1st and traded him to the Pats during his rookie contract.

The Pats also moved on from him during his rookie contract and yet he is still in the league.

What is the deal with Cooks where teams spend quality resources to get him but no one keeps him, yet he is still in demand?

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I'd make a strong run at Amari Cooper.

He's going to be 31 this year. Older, but not ancient.

Just the season before this past one he had arguably the best year of his career with CLE so you don't have to turn back the block too far for a productive season.

No argument that he wasn't good last year. But he spent the first half of the year with a trainwreck CLE team. Tried to do some research and I read a reddit post from 5 months ago while he was still with CLE that 45% of his targets qualified as "off target". No way to vet if that's true, but affirms what I think we all know about his CLE situation. He got traded midyear to BUF where it was a new offense for him, unlike any system and he had a wrist injury a couple of weeks into his tenure.

I'm not saying there aren't red flags or concerns but at this stage of the offseason that's what you get. We currently have zero starting caliber WRs right now unless you're high on Boutte and/or Douglas making leaps this year or think Bourne can turn the clock all the way back to pre injury or have blind faith that Polk/Baker are actually good despite looking awful last year. And even then, hard to think any would be confident that any of them are better than low end starters anyway.

I feel the same way about signing Cam Robinson at LT. Red flags, concerns, all that. These are premium positions, our depth chart is terrible, neither are ancient, neither is that far removed from being solid options, and we have mountains of cap space.

Agree on cooper based on what i read on the bills forums about him. Good character and he played through some injuries which could have led to a down year.

At worst you are overpaying a 600 yard guy for a year or 2. If hes not actually washed youre getting a 1k yard reciever. I wouldn’t be against it.

 

[Real fan 02]

King tet is still available for us twin..

Patriots Scouting Report: Arizona WR Tetairoa McMillan

The New England Patriots need help at receiver, and Tetairoa McMillan is considered the best available in the NFL Draft outside of a unique two-way phenom named

www.si.com

 

[TheRainMaker]

The Saints drafted Cooks in the 1st and traded him to the Pats during his rookie contract.

The Pats also moved on from him during his rookie contract and yet he is still in the league.

What is the deal with Cooks where teams spend quality resources to get him but no one keeps him, yet he is still in demand?

Although he had 1,000 yards receiving in NE, he struggled for what they wanted him to be - Randy Moss. Cooks has historically struggled when DB’s body up on him and it comes down to a 50/50 ball. The 2018 Super Bowl is a prime example when he torched the coverage, waited in the end zone for Goff to get a clue, only to get the ball knocked away by Jason McCourty when Goff finally threw the ball.

 

[Ross12]

Although he had 1,000 yards receiving in NE, he struggled for what they wanted him to be - Randy Moss. Cooks has historically struggled when DB’s body up on him and it comes down to a 50/50 ball. The 2018 Super Bowl is a prime example when he torched the coverage, waited in the end zone for Goff to get a clue, only to get the ball knocked away by Jason McCourty when Goff finally threw the ball.

Yeah, though I think in a less demanding role he can come back and be productive. He’s still fast, and they need some speed. Already knows the offense.

Cooks + Cooper + Pop would likely be OK. Cut Bourne to recoup some cap and make room. If Hollins, Polk, Baker or Boutte earn a top spot then good for them. Still draft Hunter if he’s there.

 

[PatsFan2]

Yeah, though I think in a less demanding role he can come back and be productive. He’s still fast, and they need some speed. Already knows the offense.

Cooks + Cooper + Pop would likely be OK. Cut Bourne to recoup some cap and make room. If Polk, Baker or Boutte earn a top spot then good for them. Still draft Hunter if he’s there.

Both are Cooked get it.

 

[Steve102]

Both are Cooked get it.

Why? Are the guys that are here so much better ?

 

[PatsFan2]

Why? Are the guys that are here so much better ?

Cooks wasn't very good alongside Lamb especially in 23. I found that very troubling a lot of tread wear on his tires too. I feel like Cooper is on that WR Ciff downwards.

 

[Steve102]

Cooks wasn't very good alongside Lamb especially in 23. I found that very troubling a lot of tread wear on his tires too. I feel like Cooper is on that WR Ciff downward.

I get they have flaws. That's why they are free agents. They are better than what's here now, yes?

 

[PatsFan2]

I get they have flaws. That's why they are free agents. They are better than what's here now, yes?

No I am leaning towards a couple of Draft picks. We have to go to that dreaded well again.

 

[Steve102]

No I am leaning towards a couple of Draft picks. We have to go to that dreaded well again.

Disagree. Both are better.

 

[Ring 6]

Although he had 1,000 yards receiving in NE, he struggled for what they wanted him to be - Randy Moss. Cooks has historically struggled when DB’s body up on him and it comes down to a 50/50 ball. The 2018 Super Bowl is a prime example when he torched the coverage, waited in the end zone for Goff to get a clue, only to get the ball knocked away by Jason McCourty when Goff finally threw the ball.

You expected Cooks to be Randy Moss? Seriously?

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah, though I think in a less demanding role he can come back and be productive. He’s still fast, and they need some speed. Already knows the offense.

Cooks + Cooper + Pop would likely be OK. Cut Bourne to recoup some cap and make room. If Hollins, Polk, Baker or Boutte earn a top spot then good for them. Still draft Hunter if he’s there.

If you can get both on a one year deal do it today.
Draft a receiver in round 1 or 2 throw them all out there and compete for jobs.
3 chances to be better than we are. (All very likely)

 

[JohnJH]

Would not mind a trade for Christian Watson from GB

You mean the guy that I wanted in that draft and we could've traded up a few spots and gotten instead of T.T.? He's had the "Injury Bug" since being drafted, which is a shame because the guy has some serious talent.