NFL News Official 2025 NFL Free Agency Thread

[TommyD4207]

I guess I'm the only one who still likes Peppers and Dugger back there. Especially now with Davis I'll give up a little coverage ability for their physicality and ability to help vs the run.

You need a field safety though. Both of those guys struggled hard at that position.

 

[lancerman]

Patriots complete WR corps - 10 TDs in 2024
Mack Hollins - 6

He was playing with the league MVP. That's a part of the equation.

 

[jmt57]

His full tweet here:
Here are some free agents with ties to the Patriots staff:

- Cooper Kupp (Thomas Brown)
- Cam Robinson (Doug Marrone)
- ZaDarius Smith (Terrell Williams, Mike Smith)
- Azeez Ojulari (Zak Kuhr)
- Damar Hamlin (Scott Booker)
- Tyron Smith (Todd Downing)
- Trent Brown (Josh McDaniels)
- Coleman Shelton (Jason Houghtaling)
- Daniel Brunskill (Mike Vrabel)
- Ameer Abdullah (Josh McDaniels)
- Mack Hollins (Josh McDaniels)
- Nick Folk (Mike Vrabel, Tom Quinn)
- Nick Westbrook-Ikhine (Mike Vrabel)
- Teven Jenkins (Jason Houghtaling)

 

[signbabybrady]

You need a field safety though. Both of those guys struggled hard at that position.

Draft one in 3rd or 4th rd for those 10-15 snaps a game

 

[PatsFan2]

Anything on WR A Cooper??

 

[TommyD4207]

Anything on WR A Cooper??

You mean the guy Mack Hollins beat out last year?

 

[PatsFan2]

Bring Trent Brown back as one year Bridge and Draft J Simmons.

 

[Ross12]

I am very interested to see what the Pats do on day 2/3 where things slowly transition from the “compensation” guys to the “opportunity guys”. There’s a nice middle there of guys who want an opportunity but would also like a decent check - Pats can really clean up there.

 

[PatsFan2]

You mean the guy Mack Hollins beat out last year?

Stop kidding Tommy.

 

[JohnJH]

Yess!!

I'm still on the fence.

 

[TommyD4207]

Stop kidding Tommy.

I'm not kidding. Go look at their snap counts.

 

[Aussie Patriot]

Cooper aint a Vrabel guy.

 

[TommyD4207]

Yeah, obviously Smith was not plan A but he’s still good. Just can’t count on him for more than a year. Moses is probably good for 2 years.

It would be humorous to take both of the Jets’ starting tackles.

Not that humorous, since you could have had them last year.

 

[manxman2601]

 

[Hawaiipatsfan2]

force teams to re-locate

Or just allow teams in taxed states, to have a salary cap with a percentage which is higher (adjusted per state) to compensate what players seek to lose due to taxes playing for teams in those states.

Now a bunch of owners probably say “hell no” to that. I think the players would love it, the NFLPA too. It would be complicated to implement, but something along those lines would get a little parity back across the league.

 

[manxman2601]

He was playing with the league MVP. That's a part of the equation.

And will be next season

 

[Ross12]

Not that humorous, since you could have had them last year.

Theoretically. But would they have signed under Jerod Mayo?

 

[Ross12]

Damn that defense is gonna be good again

 

[TommyD4207]

Theoretically. But would they have signed under Jerod Mayo?

I thought his ability to relate to today's players is how he got the job.

 

[silentone]

2016 to 2024 based on current starters/contributors. Other analyses I provided from other third parties had it at just under 33% success rate using a different, more lenient judgement of busts.

Content Post - How Current NFL Teams Were Built and How Pats Compare

No the combined picks so the value of both players picked vs 1. Of course, only 1 in 3 second round picks succeed and even worse for 3rd and later so in many cases the second pick was a bust. This was probably a big factor. Your adding a bust and dropping to where a lesser player would be on...

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What does "current starters/contributors" mean? There are 22 starters on a team, which means ~ 28 non-starters. Are you saying if you are a non-starter, you are a bust. I don't think that is what most people would call a bust with a third round pick. How did you define "contributor" and how many "contributors" did you include in say any given year?

How does your analysis factor in the salary of the 3rd round pick?

If a third round pick is not only a starter but a great player with huge surplus value, how does your analysis account for this surplus value.

What third party analyses are you referring to?

I reread/scimmed the article you attached "how current nfl teams were built" - I can't find any real reference to "3rd round picks are not that valuable....". Can you guide me to where it is?

Let me invert this -
My recollection is that very few 3rd round picks are cut in year one. Seems odd if they are "not that valuable".