Armand Membou at 4

[Rdforty2]

So Alaric is 32 4/8" arm length, Campbell is 32 5/8" arm length, and Raiman is 32 7/8" arm length. Alaric was an UDFA, and Raiman was a 3rd round draft pick, 77th overall. Both are similar in arm length to Campbell, you are correct, but neither was ever considered as the #4 pick overall. If you were to suggest that Campbell will be selected in the 3rd round I would say, "Absolutely snag him". The issue is whether Campbell is a good pick at #4 in the first round. Your argument that Alaric and Raiman have similar arm lengths does not appear to be a good argument to select Campbell at #4 overall. It still appears that Membou might be the safer pick at #4.

Neither Raimann or Jackson dominated the way Campbell did in college. Neither were ever considered as good of players. Yet, they've made it work. They had other obvious flaws and were able to overcome short arms. Why wouldn't an athletic freak with great tape at LT in the SEC, that's been widely regarded as a top 5 pick be able to overcome it?

We were going to be interested in Jackson, and would've pushed 20mill per to get him.

If after 4 or 5 years, Campbell is a 20mill+ tackle, he's well worth the 4th pick.

And thats just if he's the 18th ranked OT in the league, according to PFF. Raimann was ranked 8th. A top 10 tackle in the league is worth the 4th pick in a weak draft at the top.

I understand the argument about there being less risk down lower in the draft. But Campbell is seen is THAT much better of a prospect, even with everyone mentioning short arms. That seems to say hes that good and the risk isn't that high.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Neither Raimann or Jackson dominated the way Campbell did in college. Neither were ever considered as good of players. Yet, they've made it work. They had other obvious flaws and were able to overcome short arms. Why wouldn't an athletic freak with great tape at LT in the SEC, that's been widely regarded as a top 5 pick be able to overcome it?

We were going to be interested in Jackson, and would've pushed 20mill per to get him.

If after 4 or 5 years, Campbell is a 20mill+ tackle, he's well worth the 4th pick.

And thats just if he's the 18th ranked OT in the league, according to PFF. Raimann was ranked 8th. A top 10 tackle in the league is worth the 4th pick in a weak draft at the top.

I understand the argument about their being less risk down lower in the draft. But Campbell is seen is THAT much better of a prospect, even with everyone mentioning short arms. That seems to say hes that good and the risk isn't that high.

Just too bad this year there isn't an Alt for the #4 pick so we have to compromise and pick a short arm guy. But it is what it is.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Not at #4. If we trade down to 8-10 range then we consider the tackle. I understand his combine numbers were great. 330 lbs, sub 5.0 40 yard dash, and 33.5 inch arms which fit the requirements.

However a right tackle is not as crucial as an LT. If we sign a starting caliber LT in free agency though we might look at RT like Membou in the draft as BPA if we can trade down and pick up extra value first.

 

[Rdforty2]

Just too bad this year there isn't an Alt for the #4 pick so we have to compromise and pick a short arm guy. But it is what it is.

I agree. Wish there was an Alt, Nabers, or Harrison available.

 

[Brotherblues]

So Alaric is 32 4/8" arm length, Campbell is 32 5/8" arm length, and Raiman is 32 7/8" arm length. Alaric was an UDFA, and Raiman was a 3rd round draft pick, 77th overall. Both are similar in arm length to Campbell, you are correct, but neither was ever considered as the #4 pick overall. If you were to suggest that Campbell will be selected in the 3rd round I would say, "Absolutely snag him". The issue is whether Campbell is a good pick at #4 in the first round. Your argument that Alaric and Raiman have similar arm lengths does not appear to be a good argument to select Campbell at #4 overall. It still appears that Membou might be the safer pick at #4.

Just want to note Alaric's arm length is disputed. Measured almost 34 at his pro day. Also I read somewhere his wingspan is 5 more inches than Campbell. Campbell's wingspan is downright miniscule. Per PFF no regular starting OT this century has a wingspan as short as Campbell's.

Campbell is a top 10 caliber pick because he is bar none the best guard prospect in the draft. Bonafide plug and play day 1 starter. Same as Skoronski a couple of years ago, who went 11th.

I'd love Campbell on the team, just not at the cost of missing an elite talent in harder to fill positions like LT and pass rushers.

 

[Rdforty2]

Just want to note Alaric's arm length is disputed. Measured almost 34 at his pro day. Also I read somewhere his wingspan is 5 more inches than Campbell. Campbell's wingspan is downright miniscule. Per PFF no regular starting OT this century has a wingspan as short as Campbell's.

Campbell is a top 10 caliber pick because he is bar none the best guard prospect in the draft. Bonafide plug and play day 1 starter. Same as Skoronski a couple of years ago, who went 11th.

I'd love Campbell on the team, just not at the cost of missing an elite talent in harder to fill positions like LT and pass rushers.

I think the issue is, there are no elite options likely to be available at 4. Guys from maybe 4-12 could go in any order almost. I think Carter is the only truly elite player in the draft. If he's there at 4, please run his name up ASAP.

 

[manxman2601]

Not at #4. If we trade down to 8-10 range then we consider the tackle. I understand his combine numbers were great. 330 lbs, sub 5.0 40 yard dash, and 33.5 inch arms which fit the requirements.

However a right tackle is not as crucial as an LT. If we sign a starting caliber LT in free agency though we might look at RT like Membou in the draft as BPA if we can trade down and pick up extra value first.

If "not at 4", then who at 4? (other than Hunter or Carter).

 

[VJCPatriot]

If "not at 4", then who at 4? (other than Hunter or Carter).

The only reason one of Hunter or Carter won't last till 4 is if 1 of the top 2 QBs drop. In that case you hold an auction for the right to draft the remaining of Sanders or Ward.

If Both QB's go ergo that means one of Hunter or Carter are available.

Get my meaning? It's gonna be an either or situation mathematically speaking.

Either one of Hunter/Carter drop to us OR we auction #4 for the remaining top QB in the draft.

It's a win-win to me. If the blue chip guy isn't there, trade down.

 

[manxman2601]

The only reason one of Hunter or Carter won't last till 4 is if 1 of the top 2 QBs drop. In that case you hold an auction for the right to draft the remaining of Sanders or Ward.

If Both QB's go ergo that means one of Hunter or Carter are available.

Get my meaning? It's gonna be an either or situation mathematically speaking.

Either one of Hunter/Carter drop to us OR we auction #4 for the remaining top QB in the draft.

It's a win-win to me. If the blue chip guy isn't there, trade down.

But if no-one wants to come up - there's plenty of evidence the NFL isn't high on Shedeur - then what? That was the point of my other thread. Everyone keeps saying "not at 4" with regards to these prospects but there's a very real chance Hunter/Carter are gone and there's no opportunity to trade down so someone has to be picked. So if not Membou at 4, then who?

 

[Steve102]

But if no-one wants to come up - there's plenty of evidence the NFL isn't high on Shedeur - then what? That was the point of my other thread. Everyone keeps saying "not at 4" with regards to these prospects but there's a very real chance Hunter/Carter are gone and there's no opportunity to trade down so someone has to be picked. So if not Membou at 4, then who?

I just listened to Curran and Perry's pod, and I am coming back around to Campbell.

 

[bakes781]

I just listened to Curran and Perry's pod, and I am coming back around to Campbell.

 

[Steve102]

I know right? It's only a month and a half away, I'll flip flop another 3-4 times.

 

[bakes781]

This guy had it all along....as a late 2nd lol

 

[PatsFan2]

Teams go bat $h!t for CB's and DT's this year Jeanty looks like a very special RB. Somebody is going want to Trade up. That I'm certain

 

[p8ryts]

Not at #4. If we trade down to 8-10 range then we consider the tackle. I understand his combine numbers were great. 330 lbs, sub 5.0 40 yard dash, and 33.5 inch arms which fit the requirements.

However a right tackle is not as crucial as an LT. If we sign a starting caliber LT in free agency though we might look at RT like Membou in the draft as BPA if we can trade down and pick up extra value first.

At this point, I would settle for one player that is above average and can start and contribute right away. I don't care where he plays.

 

[PatsFan2]

At this point, I would settle for one player that is above average and can start and contribute right away. I don't care where he plays.

Yes we do: if we don't upgrade both Tackle spots Drake Maye will have a very short season.

 

[dliverey44]

If "not at 4", then who at 4? (other than Hunter or Carter).

I am glad I am not the GM, assuming Hunter and Carter are off the board I am not enamored with anyone at 4. I am defaulting to Mason Graham. Would love a trade down, but doubt there will be a partner to trade with. A DL of White, MG, Barmore and whoever as the RE is appealing. All the dudes listed above can play all over the line and would be good when the front turns odd.

 

[manxman2601]

I am glad I am not the GM, assuming Hunter and Carter are off the board I am not enamored with anyone at 4. I am defaulting to Mason Graham. Would love a trade down, but doubt there will be a partner to trade with. A DL of White, MG, Barmore and whoever as the RE is appealing. All the dudes listed above can play all over the line and would be good when the front turns odd.

Would the signing of Milton Williams affect this choice? I suppose it would come down to whatever news there is on Barmore.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

I have been going back and forth wanting a OL pick
I want to trade down but if we stay at 4
Campbell (short arms) and Membou (not preferred height) has warts
Saying that they may end up a G and RT
They are not worth a Top 4 pick
Graham has short arms but plays inside and is worth the 4 pick
Not worried about his weight. He can add in that category
Arms and height are stagnant

 

[dliverey44]

Would the signing of Milton Williams affect this choice? I suppose it would come down to whatever news there is on Barmore.

Even if Barmore is healthy, I would love to have a rotation of studs and then before contract time use as trade bait given how much reams want pass rush. MG is very good against the run as well and he may have the quickest 1st step of the IDL I have watched. I don't like Nolen.

I would love a DL rotation of MG, White, Milton, Barmore and CJ west(I can't quit him). West is best suited as a NT but can play the 3T as well.

I want to see a violent attacking pass rush