NFL News Cooper Kupp on trade block [3/12: cut][3/14: signs w/Seattle]

[signbabybrady]

Cooper is done. He was a shell of himself in Buffalo. But I would be fine with bringing Kupp here, I just doubt he wants to come.

 

[Give Kraft A Hand]

Once he is cut, he will never sign with pats. They should offer a 6th or 7th soon

I think people are overstating that New England is a draw, it’s not. They need to trade for these guys and sell the big picture and Boston to them.

 

[Huckleberry1]

It’s an obstacle they will overcome. It just takes time and some success.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

Not exactly a vote of confidence here:

 

[Ross12]

Once he is cut, he will never sign with pats. They should offer a 6th or 7th soon

That does guarantee his tenure in NE, yes. He would be effectively on a 2 year deal for around $38-39M. A bit rich, would be good if the Rams could eat some of that, but they'd probably have to pay him close to that to sign him in NE versus elsewhere anyway.

Kupp + Godwin would be pretty good, great locker room guys. Neither is really an X but you could make it work.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think people are overstating that New England is a draw, it’s not. They need to trade for these guys and sell the big picture and Boston to them.

I honestly don’t see anybody saying that the Patriots are a desirable franchise to go to right now, but Maye, Vrabel, $$$$, and some success will change that. Pretty much every team has been in a similar situation at one point or another, and $$$$ and success always turns it around. Patience grasshoppers.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

It’s depressing.

There really is no way for the team to make Boston an attractive place to live and work for young, wealthy athletes with options other than massive overpays that have both a “that place sucks tax” AND a “That place is so liberal it also demands additional tax for being successful” premium.

Hell…I grew up in New England and would NEVER live there full time between winter and egregious taxes.

I wouldn’t live in Cali either because of taxes but at least it’s gorgeous weather

 

[JohnJH]

It’s depressing.

There really is no way for the team to make Boston an attractive place to live and work for young, wealthy athletes with options other than massive overpays that have both a “that place sucks tax” AND a “That place is so liberal it also demands additional tax for being successful” premium.

Hell…I grew up in New England and would NEVER live there full time between winter and egregious taxes.

I wouldn’t live in Cali either because of taxes but at least it’s gorgeous weather

I moved from the North Shore of Boston (where I was born, raised, and worked) to the Midwest in 2001. One of the best decisions that I ever made! My wife moved to the Midwest from California (also one of the best decisions that she ever made). You couldn't pay either one of us to ever live in either State (or States like them). I haven't even visited MA for over 20 years (and have no intention of ever doing so, even if I live to be 100).

 

[Grogan14]

It’s depressing.

There really is no way for the team to make Boston an attractive place to live and work for young, wealthy athletes with options other than massive overpays that have both a “that place sucks tax” AND a “That place is so liberal it also demands additional tax for being successful” premium.

Hell…I grew up in New England and would NEVER live there full time between winter and egregious taxes.

I wouldn’t live in Cali either because of taxes but at least it’s gorgeous weather

Yet the Detroit Liions, Philadelphia Eagles and Kansas City Chiefs have recently been successful. None of those locales are tropical paradises

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Yet the Detroit Liions, Philadelphia Eagles and Kansas City Chiefs have recently been successful. None of those locales are tropical paradises

Too bad that the Pats are in Foxboro, MA, because Worcester MA is a tropical paradise.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

NE being a “draw” is an issue when you focus on wanting to sign all the name brand players. Those guys have their pick of destinations.

Vrabel mentioned the main thing other than money they have to offer free agents though - opportunity. The “benefit” of having such a bad roster is that you can offer players the clearest path to playing time and the best opportunity to improve their standing in the league/market value with what they do with that opportunity.

Look at a player like Andrew Van Ginkel last year. He signed with MIN and blossomed into a pro bowler after some solid but unspectacular years contributing with MIA. He had showed some promise so MIN offered him an opportunity for a bigger role on a mid tier contract and it paid off.

We should be in really good position to pursue those kind of players. Guys coming off rookie deals that have showed a lot of promise but still haven’t gotten the opportunity to really put it all together. We have the cap space to sign a lot of those guys. And some will bust. Some will just be ok. Maybe one or two are home runs. But that’s what it means to have a long term plan. You keep signing guys like that every year at the spots you have opportunity to offer because your depth chart is weak and the ones that stick fill spots for you.
Focus on drafting well to fill more spots. You start winning more games. And then in 2-3 years, you’re the destination team in terms of being a competitive team.

 

[Ross12]

It’s depressing.

There really is no way for the team to make Boston an attractive place to live and work for young, wealthy athletes with options other than massive overpays that have both a “that place sucks tax” AND a “That place is so liberal it also demands additional tax for being successful” premium.

Hell…I grew up in New England and would NEVER live there full time between winter and egregious taxes.

I wouldn’t live in Cali either because of taxes but at least it’s gorgeous weather

There’s the other side of the coin with this however. A lot of guys want to go play in Miami because of the nice weather and city life. However, if they’re signing there because of that, is winning their top priority? It might be, but probably not the case for all signees.

With NE, it’s not a grand destination by any means but you’ll know that guys who choose to sign here are doing so because they want to play well and want to win.

 

[Huckleberry1]

It’s depressing.

There really is no way for the team to make Boston an attractive place to live and work for young, wealthy athletes with options other than massive overpays that have both a “that place sucks tax” AND a “That place is so liberal it also demands additional tax for being successful” premium.

Hell…I grew up in New England and would NEVER live there full time between winter and egregious taxes.

I wouldn’t live in Cali either because of taxes but at least it’s gorgeous weather

It’s about $$$$ and success. Detroit and Buffalo are now “ hot” destinations, who would have ever thought that?

 

[Huckleberry1]

There’s the other side of the coin with this however. A lot of guys want to go play in Miami because of the nice weather and city life. However, if they’re signing there because of that, is winning their top priority? It might be, but probably not the case for all signees.

With NE, it’s not a grand destination by any means but you’ll know that guys who choose to sign here are doing so because they want to play well and want to win.

If they are going to Miami it’s definitely not to win a Lombardi. Between them and the Jets it’s over 110 years without a Lombardi.

 

[Vindicate]

It’s depressing.

There really is no way for the team to make Boston an attractive place to live and work for young, wealthy athletes with options other than massive overpays that have both a “that place sucks tax” AND a “That place is so liberal it also demands additional tax for being successful” premium.

Hell…I grew up in New England and would NEVER live there full time between winter and egregious taxes.

I wouldn’t live in Cali either because of taxes but at least it’s gorgeous weather

In the areas you'd be, you'd experience extreme inflation and property prices, alongside the threat of your house burning down every year, which affects insurance coverage/costs.

Everywhere outside the Midwest kinda ****in sucks from a practicality standpoint these days. I say this as a person who really doesn't like living in Ohio, too, lol.

Main point being: a lot of "dream" locations of yesteryear actually have as many, if not more, drawbacks than Boston and their millionaire tax.

 

[Drunken Cicerone]

It’s depressing.

There really is no way for the team to make Boston an attractive place to live and work for young, wealthy athletes with options other than massive overpays that have both a “that place sucks tax” AND a “That place is so liberal it also demands additional tax for being successful” premium.

Hell…I grew up in New England and would NEVER live there full time between winter and egregious taxes.

I wouldn’t live in Cali either because of taxes but at least it’s gorgeous weather

Like Philadelphia and Kansas City are places that people just get geeked to play for

 

[mgteich]

Yet the Detroit Liions, Philadelphia Eagles and Kansas City Chiefs have recently been successful. None of those locales are tropical paradises

1) which of these organizations is in any way similar in recent production compared to NE?

2) which of these organizations has worse facilities and support of players compare to the patriots?

 

[mgteich]

NE being a “draw” is an issue when you focus on wanting to sign all the name brand players. Those guys have their pick of destinations.

Vrabel mentioned the main thing other than money they have to offer free agents though - opportunity. he league/market value with what they do with that opportunity.

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ROFL

"Come to us because we are the worst, surely will have an opportunity to improve this team"

We need a better pitch than that.

 

[Dec54]

NE being a “draw” is an issue when you focus on wanting to sign all the name brand players. Those guys have their pick of destinations.

Vrabel mentioned the main thing other than money they have to offer free agents though - opportunity. The “benefit” of having such a bad roster is that you can offer players the clearest path to playing time and the best opportunity to improve their standing in the league/market value with what they do with that opportunity.

Look at a player like Andrew Van Ginkel last year. He signed with MIN and blossomed into a pro bowler after some solid but unspectacular years contributing with MIA. He had showed some promise so MIN offered him an opportunity for a bigger role on a mid tier contract and it paid off.

We should be in really good position to pursue those kind of players. Guys coming off rookie deals that have showed a lot of promise but still haven’t gotten the opportunity to really put it all together. We have the cap space to sign a lot of those guys. And some will bust. Some will just be ok. Maybe one or two are home runs. But that’s what it means to have a long term plan. You keep signing guys like that every year at the spots you have opportunity to offer because your depth chart is weak and the ones that stick fill spots for you.
Focus on drafting well to fill more spots. You start winning more games. And then in 2-3 years, you’re the destination team in terms of being a competitive team.

Well said Sir. One of the best posts I have read on this forum.

 

[Triumph]

These first round cut guys are expensive.

Wolfe, Groh and Thunder will wait it out for better deals.