The OTs need to be addressed via the DRAFT

[Pape]

Alaric Jackson... The much talked about Left Tackle that was going to hit free agency... How'd that story work out? Last week the news rolled out the Rams reached an extension with him...

Ronnie Stanley - the much talked about Free Agent Tackle... you know, the guy protecting the blind side of Joe Flacco & Lamar Jackson since 2016... He's had some injuries, sure... but when he plays, he's pretty good...

You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think Baltimore is going to let him walk in Free Agency... They will re-sign him...

The only way to adequately address our Tackle problem is through the Draft... Take the blinders off and realize that the Tackle spots are the most serious need for this team...

and to those who think, or will even post, "Not another OL thread" eh... what else ya got to do?

In order to fill the tackle spots, serious consideration needs to be given to not only using the 4, but also the 38th pick in the second round... If not the 38th pick too, then no lower than the 69th pick in the draft... We need quality players...

I don't know much about Doug Marrones' history as an OL coach... I don't know how his units ranked... and the reason for that is i have not spent the time parsing out who he had as players... might take a look, might not... So, I don't know how good he is at coaching guys up... With those unknown factors, its imperative that we draft quality guys to fill these key roles.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Im thinking we should at least have a stopgap in place at LT heading into the draft. Its not ideal but Cam Robinson or another on a 2 year pact is better than v lowe.

Then you either take your tackle first or second round. If travis hunter is there at 4 i just can’t pass him up. I hope to land connerly or ersery at 38 or a trade up in that scenario. Otherwise trade down and Campbell is fine by me.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I post on this forum and a few others. I'm not sure I've ever seen a sports message board as unified on anything as this board is that OT is our most pressing need. So it's a strawman argument to pretend like people are in denial about that. If there are 200 posters on this board probably like 198 of them would agree with it. This thread isn't introducing some glorious revelation or point of clarity on that.

Ask yourself why it is that viable LT solutions rarely, if ever make it to free agency? Why do teams always re-sign them? The answer is because finding solutions there is REALLY hard. Players who excel at LT are exceptionally rare so you hold onto them once you find them vs chancing it on a replacement via free agency or the draft. And that's exactly why the idea that we can just manifest solutions at OT by using all of our high picks on them is silly. If it was easy to find draft solutions then teams would hold onto their guys with such death grips.

We can use every single draft pick we have on OTs and it doesn't do **** to address the position if none of them are good. Again, there really aren't posters here who don't want an OT. The draft board by most accounts just isn't good at that spot this year.

 

[Brotherblues]

Alaric Jackson... The much talked about Left Tackle that was going to hit free agency... How'd that story work out? Last week the news rolled out the Rams reached an extension with him...

Ronnie Stanley - the much talked about Free Agent Tackle... you know, the guy protecting the blind side of Joe Flacco & Lamar Jackson since 2016... He's had some injuries, sure... but when he plays, he's pretty good...

You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think Baltimore is going to let him walk in Free Agency... They will re-sign him...

The only way to adequately address our Tackle problem is through the Draft... Take the blinders off and realize that the Tackle spots are the most serious need for this team...

and to those who think, or will even post, "Not another OL thread" eh... what else ya got to do?

In order to fill the tackle spots, serious consideration needs to be given to not only using the 4, but also the 38th pick in the second round... If not the 38th pick too, then no lower than the 69th pick in the draft... We need quality players...

I don't know much about Doug Marrones' history as an OL coach... I don't know how his units ranked... and the reason for that is i have not spent the time parsing out who he had as players... might take a look, might not... So, I don't know how good he is at coaching guys up... With those unknown factors, its imperative that we draft quality guys to fill these key roles.

Doubtful that Stanley is tagged. We'll know for sure in a few hours.

As for extension: Imo it doesn't make sense for him to sign an extension a mere 6 days before he can officially talk to other teams. Of course I thought it'd be dumb for Alaric Jackson to do the same and yet here we are.

One thing I'm sure is that if he makes it to the market, the Ravens are not in position to come close to what we can offer.

 

[PatsFan2]

Alaric Jackson... The much talked about Left Tackle that was going to hit free agency... How'd that story work out? Last week the news rolled out the Rams reached an extension with him...

Ronnie Stanley - the much talked about Free Agent Tackle... you know, the guy protecting the blind side of Joe Flacco & Lamar Jackson since 2016... He's had some injuries, sure... but when he plays, he's pretty good...

You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think Baltimore is going to let him walk in Free Agency... They will re-sign him...

The only way to adequately address our Tackle problem is through the Draft... Take the blinders off and realize that the Tackle spots are the most serious need for this team...

and to those who think, or will even post, "Not another OL thread" eh... what else ya got to do?

In order to fill the tackle spots, serious consideration needs to be given to not only using the 4, but also the 38th pick in the second round... If not the 38th pick too, then no lower than the 69th pick in the draft... We need quality players...

I don't know much about Doug Marrones' history as an OL coach... I don't know how his units ranked... and the reason for that is i have not spent the time parsing out who he had as players... might take a look, might not... So, I don't know how good he is at coaching guys up... With those unknown factors, its imperative that we draft quality guys to fill these key roles.

Same can be said for WR's bwoy do we have problems...more money more problems.

 

[Sciz]

Seems like an unnecessary assumption to make a week before free agency, 50 days before the draft. They will shoot their shot in free agency and then have plenty of time to worry about how that affects the draft after they already know how free agency went.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Doubtful that Stanley is tagged. We'll know for sure in a few hours.

As for extension: Imo it doesn't make sense for him to sign an extension a mere 6 days before he can officially talk to other teams. Of course I thought it'd be dumb for Alaric Jackson to do the same and yet here we are.

One thing I'm sure is that if he makes it to the market, the Ravens are not in position to come close to what we can offer.

Unfortunately there’s a couple reports since yesterday that a deal is coming soon I don’t feel very optimistic- Ravens Expected to Re-Sign Ronnie Stanley ‘In the Coming Days’ | Late for Work

 

[Pape]

Doubtful that Stanley is tagged. We'll know for sure in a few hours.

As for extension: Imo it doesn't make sense for him to sign an extension a mere 6 days before he can officially talk to other teams. Of course I thought it'd be dumb for Alaric Jackson to do the same and yet here we are.

One thing I'm sure is that if he makes it to the market, the Ravens are not in position to come close to what we can offer.

said nothing about tagging him

 

[Ross12]

Unfortunately there’s a couple reports since yesterday that a deal is coming soon I don’t feel very optimistic- Ravens Expected to Re-Sign Ronnie Stanley ‘In the Coming Days’ | Late for Work

Kind of a weird report. "In the coming days"? There's only 6 days left until he can start "legally" talking to other teams and enter into a verbal contract agreement. So I mean... yeah... they kinda only have "the coming days" left available.

 

[mgteich]

Alaric Jackson... The much talked about Left Tackle that was going to hit free agency... How'd that story work out? Last week the news rolled out the Rams reached an extension with him...

Ronnie Stanley - the much talked about Free Agent Tackle... you know, the guy protecting the blind side of Joe Flacco & Lamar Jackson since 2016... He's had some injuries, sure... but when he plays, he's pretty good...

You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think Baltimore is going to let him walk in Free Agency... They will re-sign him...

The only way to adequately address our Tackle problem is through the Draft... Take the blinders off and realize that the Tackle spots are the most serious need for this team...

and to those who think, or will even post, "Not another OL thread" eh... what else ya got to do?

In order to fill the tackle spots, serious consideration needs to be given to not only using the 4, but also the 38th pick in the second round... If not the 38th pick too, then no lower than the 69th pick in the draft... We need quality players...

I don't know much about Doug Marrones' history as an OL coach... I don't know how his units ranked... and the reason for that is i have not spent the time parsing out who he had as players... might take a look, might not... So, I don't know how good he is at coaching guys up... With those unknown factors, its imperative that we draft quality guys to fill these key roles.

So, we should use our first 3 picks for the 3 LT's we need in addition to HOPING that Wallace works out as at least a backup RT.

BTW, how many OT's available with our 2nd pick and thereafter are better than those drafted in the 2nd and beyond last year? How did they work out? And why should we believe that we will be the team who are able to get a couple of those players.

 

[Grogan14]

Yes! But…not at 4. Scar said no OL in this years draft is worth 4

 

[Brotherblues]

said nothing about tagging him

I mentioned it only as a potential way they could keep him. Which ain't happening. So realistically the only option for them is to extend him before FA tampering period, because at that point the Pats' offer will blow the Ravens out of the water.

Smart thing for Stanley is to at least wait a few days and see his options.

 

[Pape]

I post on this forum and a few others. I'm not sure I've ever seen a sports message board as unified on anything as this board is that OT is our most pressing need. So it's a strawman argument to pretend like people are in denial about that. If there are 200 posters on this board probably like 198 of them would agree with it. This thread isn't introducing some glorious revelation or point of clarity on that.

You do not understand what a strawman argument is.

I am not in denial. I am reacting to the massive push back I have gotten when i suggest we use 4 on an OT.

Ask yourself why it is that viable LT solutions rarely, if ever make it to free agency? Why do teams always re-sign them? The answer is because finding solutions there is REALLY hard. Players who excel at LT are exceptionally rare so you hold onto them once you find them vs chancing it on a replacement via free agency or the draft. And that's exactly why the idea that we can just manifest solutions at OT by using all of our high picks on them is silly. If it was easy to find draft solutions then teams would hold onto their guys with such death grips.

Your logic baffles me.

You state that LT's rarely make it to FA.
You state that finding solutions to fixing that hole is REALLY hard.
You state that players who excel at LT are exceptionally rare/

Then you say using high draft picks on those positions is Silly?

WTF?

We can use every single draft pick we have on OTs and it doesn't do **** to address the position if none of them are good. Again, there really aren't posters here who don't want an OT. The draft board by most accounts just isn't good at that spot this year.

Single handedly the dumbest thing I have ever read. Gratz on that, because I have read a lot of really stupid takes.

 

[Pape]

Yes! But…not at 4. Scar said no OL in this years draft is worth 4

Scar ain't here. Scar can coach up udfa's and turn them into starters. Not every OL coach can. Can Marrone?

Scar, and i love the dude, he can go pound sand.

 

[Steve102]

Scar, and i love the dude, he can go pound sand.

 

[JohnJH]

Alaric Jackson... The much talked about Left Tackle that was going to hit free agency... How'd that story work out? Last week the news rolled out the Rams reached an extension with him...

Ronnie Stanley - the much talked about Free Agent Tackle... you know, the guy protecting the blind side of Joe Flacco & Lamar Jackson since 2016... He's had some injuries, sure... but when he plays, he's pretty good...

You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think Baltimore is going to let him walk in Free Agency... They will re-sign him...

The only way to adequately address our Tackle problem is through the Draft... Take the blinders off and realize that the Tackle spots are the most serious need for this team...

and to those who think, or will even post, "Not another OL thread" eh... what else ya got to do?

In order to fill the tackle spots, serious consideration needs to be given to not only using the 4, but also the 38th pick in the second round... If not the 38th pick too, then no lower than the 69th pick in the draft... We need quality players...

I don't know much about Doug Marrones' history as an OL coach... I don't know how his units ranked... and the reason for that is i have not spent the time parsing out who he had as players... might take a look, might not... So, I don't know how good he is at coaching guys up... With those unknown factors, its imperative that we draft quality guys to fill these key roles.

I don't know how they'll improve the OL this year, let alone for the long term. But I do know that it absolutely has to be much improved in both pass protection and run blocking for this coming season. Drake Maye, and by proxy, the rest of the teams future success depends upon it.

 

[Pape]

I wounded me with those words

 

[Pape]

So, we should use our first 3 picks for the 3 LT's we need in addition to HOPING that Wallace works out as at least a backup RT.

BTW, how many OT's available with our 2nd pick and thereafter are better than those drafted in the 2nd and beyond last year? How did they work out? And why should we believe that we will be the team who are able to get a couple of those players.

Not what I said. I said use 4. Then use either 38 or 69.

 

[Steve102]

I wounded me with those words

 

[Hugepatsfan]

You do not understand what a strawman argument is.

I am not in denial. I am reacting to the massive push back I have gotten when i suggest we use 4 on an OT.



Your logic baffles me.

You state that LT's rarely make it to FA.
You state that finding solutions to fixing that hole is REALLY hard.
You state that players who excel at LT are exceptionally rare/

Then you say using high draft picks on those positions is Silly?

WTF?


Single handedly the dumbest thing I have ever read. Gratz on that, because I have read a lot of really stupid takes.

Drafting players at a position doesn't improve the position if those guys aren't good. It's a very simple concept really. if you can't grasp it and it's the dumbest thing you've ever heard then IDK what to tell you. No one is saying it is silly to use high picks on OTs. I am saying that part of why teams hold onto OTs with death grips is because the position is so hard to play in the NFL that they don't trust the draft to consistently find them because it's such a difficult projection and there are so few guys who can play the position at a high level. Drafting someone highly doesn't mean they're automatically a good player.

No one pushes back on the IDEA of using a #4 pick, or any pick on an OT. Pretty much everyone here wants to do that, again. People push back on evaluations of certain players at the OT position. It's a nuance you don't seem to grasp, because it once again goes back to the simple (to everyone but you, apparently) concept that not all draft picks, even high ones, are good NFL players and particularly at very hard to play positions like OT. For every person who likes Campbell or Banks, there's probably multiple who don't see them sticking at LT at the NFL level, for example. It all goes back to the idea that you can't fix the OT spot by drafting guys who aren't good OTs, which you have to evaluate on a prospect by prospect basis and you cannot just manufacture high end players at premium/hard to play positions because you want one.