Late to the Party; But this guy thinks Kraft screwed up BIGTIME

[Dec54]

He is a sad person

 

[Dec54]

He says we blew a chance to take Drake and the Pats back into Super Bowl relevancy by selecting Vrabel over Ben Johnson. He even goes as far as to say Ben turned down the Commanders last year once he learned that they were selecting Daniels over Maye. That's how bad he wanted to coach him. It's a pretty funny watch so I felt I should share since it's not likely going to garner attention otherwise.

What a load of crap. No wonder he is moving around in his chair all the time, he's talking out of his arse.

 

[Hawaiipatsfan2]

Not as bad as the "Roasted" guy, but this dudes a fkn clown, People seem to think Ben Johnson did everything on his own, and that he'll do the same thing as a 1st time HEAD COACH, with BooCoo new responsibilities.
It's like a clown show, some of these clowns think he'll be a do it as a be it all savior....I guess his day is 36hrs long... maybe he can hire Mrs. Williams to sit on the sidelines and rock her baby asleep between each bad series.

Not to mention, that DET roster was stacked with high draft picks from many years past, that all seemed to turn into good players. They didn’t really have a true bust for a long time. And then you have to take into consideration the rare gift that they got when they got their QB traded to them for basically nothing.

Those are just a series of events that are very hard to replicate. The bears have some good foundation pieces l, but can they really nail all the GM’ing decisions like DET did moving forward. Thats a lot easier said than done. The difference between that Detroit roster and this current patriots roster are night and day.

 

[Steve102]

Dude is a fan with a you tube account. Anyone can do that. Right @Pape @Wax Frog @Ian ?

Buy some lighting while you’re at it, ya cheap fekk.

 

[Pape]

Dude is a fan with a you tube account. Anyone can do that. Right @Pape @Wax Frog @Ian ?

Buy some lighting while you’re at it, ya cheap fekk.

 

[sb1]

Time will tell.

Unlike last season we have an experienced coach who players will want to play hard for. That’s a good start.

 

[Ross12]

This guy does a pretty good job with his film review on the QB's but he can be very black and white with some opinions.

His position is you can only succeed with a great offensive play caller as head coach because they will never leave and the offensive play caller is more important than anything else. Couple, a great play caller that will be there long term with a great young QB and you are golden for 15 years.

I agree that is the ideal scenario but plenty of great OC's have flamed out as HC. Replacing a top OC when they leave can be a killer.

Vrabel/McDaniels is really a better scenario. a top OC that won't leave coupled with a top HC. Best of both worlds.

This guy just says Josh did not have a top offense anywhere without Brady so it was all Brady.
Josh, in reality, might be as good as Johnson.

It really comes down to how good (or bad) Josh is as an OC. The guy with 6 SB rings and OC for the greatest offense of all time.

Kind of ironic because this same guy has Drake Maye as the best QB prospect he ever scouted yet hates the guy that called plays and won Super Bowls as the OC for the GOAT.

You’re really on the money here. While the point is true that you gain inherent advantages with a playcalling HC since he won’t leave, the downside to that is that you need to actually find a guy who’s capable of being the playcaller and also being a good HC simultaneously which is very difficult. Vrabel+McDaniels uniquely fulfills this same advantage across two people - a good and capable HC plus a good playcaller who won’t leave.

I think it’s hard to crap on “McDaniels without Brady” because you have to look at the QBs. When he had a semi-decent QB (Derek Carr, rookie Mac Jones, Matt Cassell) his offense was solid. When his QB was crap (Aidan O’Connell, Kyle Orton, the shell of Cam Newton) his offense was not so good.

 

[Real fan 02]

I’m with @TheRainMaker on this. I think he will not do well in Chicago tho I still wish he ended up here Virgin HC or not…

I hear ya PBP,

But given the totality of the situation.. the Patriots NEEDED a coach like Vrabel. Ben Johnson was always going to a team where the roster was ready-made... as much as he like Drake.

 

[Real fan 02]

Time will tell.

Unlike last season we have an experienced coach who players will want to play hard for. That’s a good start.

Absolutely and the defensive line won't be getting run on 17x in a row.. with the coach saying he can't do anything for them once they get on the field.

 

[Real fan 02]

You’re really on the money here. While the point is true that you gain inherent advantages with a playcalling HC since he won’t leave, the downside to that is that you need to actually find a guy who’s capable of being the playcaller and also being a good HC simultaneously which is very difficult. Vrabel+McDaniels uniquely fulfills this same advantage across two people - a good and capable HC plus a good playcaller who won’t leave.

I think it’s hard to crap on “McDaniels without Brady” because you have to look at the QBs. When he had a semi-decent QB (Derek Carr, rookie Mac Jones, Matt Cassell) his offense was solid. When his QB was crap (Aidan O’Connell, Kyle Orton, the shell of Cam Newton) his offense was not so good.

Agreed. Personally I always felt it was defeating the purpose if the HC called plays and not his Coordinators.. I look it like a HC entrust his OC and DC to run the meetings, personnel and packages but not call plays.. I feel like it takes away the HCs ability to fully analyze the entire team on game days. @signbabybrady

 

[Wax Frog]

This shall forever be my favorite Star Trek moment and meme. Special place in heaven for whomever came up with it:

 

[Wozzy]

Frankly I’d rather have Vrabel, McDaniels and Doug Marrone coaching the offensive line than the complete unknown of Ben Johnson without the Detroit superteam around him.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I am of the opinion that we could stand to take the risk. The jury is still out on whether or not Drake is the future. We were all singing the praises of Mac after his rookie season. Granted that was under Josh as his OC but the whole culture thing is BS IMO. Vrabel should get us to .500 in the win column but that's not the ultimate goal.

We could take the risk, but after Mayo left the organization in smoldering ruins, Kraft needed a surer thing. Ben Johnson may turn out to be the better coach, but it’s not guaranteed and the cost of an another misstep is high. Vrabel will at least build up a professional organization and have the team playing hard, disciplined football: he’s been a successful head coach. We all know that successful coordinators are not guaranteed to be successful head coaches. It’s a very different job. The time to hire a BJ was after BB. Instead we got a condiment. That ship has sailed.

 

[reflexblue]

The Bears are cursed.

They always screw up when picking QBs. I'm not sold on Williams at all. The Chiefs OC went there and ruined his name.

Da Bears have become the jest lite

 

[Real fan 02]

Frankly I’d rather have Vrabel, McDaniels and Doug Marrone coaching the offensive line than the complete unknown of Ben Johnson without the Detroit superteam around him.

Ben Johnson supposed loved Drake and that was his attraction to the job. However he was always going to a team with a ready-made roster. I agree Vrabel, McDaniels and marrone don't forget Williams as well.

 

[lancerman]

Ben Johnson supposed loved Drake and that was his attraction to the job. However he was always going to a team with a ready-made roster. I agree Vrabel, McDaniels and marrone don't forget Williams as well.

The reason Ben picked the Bears was because the Patriots hired Vrabel extremely fast.

The Patriots and the Beats were largely considered the top 2 teams for coaches this cycle. Aside from internal hires like Mayo who were already on the team, the time between Mayo's firing and the Patriots hiring their next HC was the FASTEST HC hiring in the last 5 years. Which tells me Johnson really didn't have much of a shot and they were dead set on Mayo.

So Johnson took the other good coaching job.

There were two places that made sense for Johnson and the decision was sort of made for him.

I don't the blame the Pats for doing what they did after Mayo, but I don't think it's fair to pretend Johnson is some risk averse wimp going the path of least resistance. He was the bell of the ball this cycle and had one of the two princes eyeing an ex.

 

[patfanken]

I listened to about 2 minutes of this tripe before I found the comments more interesting than the commentary from the OP.

There is one ultimate truism in football. It is almost impossible to predetermined who is going to be a good HC based on what he's done as a player and/or assistant. I speak from some minor experience. 50 odd years ago, I went from being an assistant to a DC for about 6 years and got a HCing job. Believe me, NOTHING prepared me for what I THOUGHT the job was going to be like compared to what it was actually like, and this was a division 2 HC job and NOT operating a multibillion dollar business. And believe me I worked at it and thought I was ready.

The fact is that until you actually experience it firsthand, it can't be prepared for. The sheer number of daily decisions you have to make each day boggles your mind, especially the ones that have little to do with football. And with each decision you have the opportunity to be wrong. And again this MA HS football a, not the NFL, and it was a hard adjustment

I was a LOT better my 2nd year, and incrementally better as time went on, but it ONLY got better from the actual experience of being a HC, not from planning for it.

So, while Johnson might very well end up being a good NFL HC, no one "knows" he will, not even him. In fact, especially, not him And for someone expert to make that statement only belies his expertise. His absolute surety of his position just proves the fool he is.

You know we all recognize that an NFL QB is the single most difficult position in all of professional team sports, it is just as true that being an NFL HC is the single most difficult professional sports position.

 

[bresna]

Ben Johnson seems to be getting all the credit for the Lions recent success. He's an assistant coach. Vrabel was a head coach.

And just by their teams' records alone, Vrabel has had more success.

Ben Johnson for his 5 years with the Lions:
2019 3-12-1
2020 5-11
2021 3-13-1
2022 9-8
2023 12-5
2024 15-2

Total: 47-51-2

Vrabel in his 6 years with the Titans:
2018 9-7
2019 9-7
2020 11-5
2021 12-5
2022 7-10
2023 6-11

Total: 54-45

 

[Wozzy]

Ben Johnson supposed loved Drake and that was his attraction to the job. However he was always going to a team with a ready-made roster. I agree Vrabel, McDaniels and marrone don't forget Williams as well.

I don't know enough about Terrell Williams, but he seems well respected around the league and Vrabel likes him a lot... so I'll have to trust Vrabel. But he's a first time coordinator, so there's some level of unknown there. He has a ton of experience and deserves a shot for sure. How that translates to the game is a mystery.

I thought Covington would be good last season, but they were undisciplined and underperformed. We'll see. I'm optimistic about this coaching staff in general, a lot more than last year. They have a lot more experience and name brands across the board. Ryan Bowden at GM is probably the biggest question mark for me. They need to prove they can team build first.

 

[lancerman]

Ben Johnson seems to be getting all the credit for the Lions recent success. He's an assistant coach. Vrabel was a head coach.

And just by their teams' records alone, Vrabel has had more success.

Ben Johnson for his 5 years with the Lions:
2019 3-12-1
2020 5-11
2021 3-13-1
2022 9-8
2023 12-5
2024 15-2

Total: 47-51-2

Vrabel in his 6 years with the Titans:
2018 9-7
2019 9-7
2020 11-5
2021 12-5
2022 7-10
2023 6-11

Total: 54-45

It's dumb to compare HC's to coordinators. I agree with you on that.

But if we are making this comparison, it's not an entirely fair one.

The Titans were 9-7 the two years before Vrabel got there and he couldn't improve on their record his first two years. Then he only did actually improve on it for 2020 and 2021 before the team went back down hill.

The Lions were 6-10 when Johnson came onboard as an assistant. Then they dipped the first season then outside of 2021 they steadily improved each year. Also the 3 years Johnson was an OC they went from a 3 win team to a 9 win, then a 12 win then a 15 win team.

It's kinda hard to say under the guise of comparing a HC to an OC that Vrabel had more success he started higher and he only improved on where he started for two years. Meanwhile the Lions started lower and they showed a lot more steady improvement and their peak was higher than the Titans peak.

So it's kind of loaded comparison of a loaded comparison.

Anyways most of this is irrelevant. We'll have a much better idea of what both of these guys will bring to the table next year and the year after.