Patriots Player Departure Pats release Takitaki

[Ring 6]

Reviewed the tape? How long did that take? 3 minutes? Reviewed the tape!!!! Too funny. LOL. They had to do a full indepth tape review to know that Takitaki sucked and needed to be cut?

The dude ****ING SUCKS. They should have cut him A MONTH AGO. ****ING SUCKS HIND TIT. WTF. #thisdudesucks, #abouttimewecuthim, #suckshindtit

Well they didn’t sit down first thing and say lets evaluate Takitaki
They reviewed and assessed the entire roster. During that evaluation they learned Takitaki=suckysucky and moved on.

 

[Real fan 02]

I think it's a stretch to say we need those guys. That kind of implies there's something exemplary or distinguishing about them. They're just backup caliber players. Which is fine. No team is going to have 53 all pros. By the time you get to the bottom of the roster every team is going to have some guys like that. But the goal should always be to push players of that caliber as far down the roster as possible and ideally off it.

Pharms and Ellis particular are guys that peojec to be in the rotation.. for example in a one gap system it's actually better for players like them as they can penetrant and now have to do alot of thinking.. how they are depth/rotation guys.. if we get more out of them it's a plus.

 

[mgteich]

I think it's a stretch to say we need those guys. That kind of implies there's something exemplary or distinguishing about them. They're just backup caliber players. Which is fine. No team is going to have 53 all pros. By the time you get to the bottom of the roster every team is going to have some guys like that. But the goal should always be to push players of that caliber as far down the roster as possible and ideally off it.

You think that we NEED 53 exemplary players. That is simply NOT possible.

In the Belichick-Brady era, those acquiring personnel well understood that. One of the geniuses of Belichick was the ability to get valuable contributions from backups that would likely never be starters, from ex-starters in their last year or so, and from players that haven't done elsewhere. These players are often called JAG's, just a guy. Many posters think that we shouldn't have these players on the roster. I strongly disagree, as did Belichick. These players are inexpensive contributors. And, sometimes, rarely one of these players s a star for us.

There are those who focus on the starters and even on the potential all-pro starters. Sure, they are necessary. But, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, we need lots more players to contribute.
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BTW, I have no fears with regard to the new chooser of personnel. He understands that our sustainable future is NOT based on signing $25M a year players. Sometimes one needs to find a LB who will fit into the system that we run. Surely, we need backup LB's in different roles. VRABEL understands that approach to roster building.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Did @captain stone give him a new name?

His name reminds me of walkie talkie.

 

[203Pat]

The funny part is that we signed players like a lot of those guys this year, people will flip out and say we're dumpster diving. Chinn, Wagner, Fowler were all 1 year signings for older guys who hasn't played well. Eckler, Armstrong, Luvu were all middle tier free agents given modest multi year deals.

Commanders is a perfect example of why signing guys like that is important. You can't sign 25 year old top of the market players everywhere - it's not realistic. But rather than punt at the positions you can't add guys like that, bringing in some veteran depth and competition is important and sometimes those guys pan out in a big way.

I agree. If we sign the equivalent of that class this year, most people will complain on here because we have seen it fail for so long doing it that way. We seem to be trying to do something similar to Washington by signing guys like Okoafor, Takitaki, and KJ Osborn, but it was pretty clear none of those guys fit what we were doing last year (whatever the hell that was). Maybe it was the disaster of a coaching staff having no real idea of what they needed since they were ill-prepared to be in their respective positions, but we continued trying to find the "upside" guys.

Washington seemed to do a good job of mixing some guys on the downside of their careers but have been very good players like Eckler, Ertz, and Wagner with younger guys like Nick Allegretti, Jeremy Chinn, and Luvu with upside who benefited from a scheme change or just the old "change of scenery".

Free agency is almost never filled with 25-year-old superstars but usually depressed assets. Guys who never lived up to a high draft grade or showed early promise and fizzled, or guys whose careers are winding down. Striking a balance amongst those types to supplement your roster while your draft picks develop is the way good teams build depth.

 

[Mike the Brit]

We seem to be trying to do something similar to Washington by signing guys like Okoafor, Takitaki, and KJ Osborn, but it was pretty clear none of those guys fit what we were doing last year (whatever the hell that was). Maybe it was the disaster of a coaching staff having no real idea of what they needed since they were ill-prepared to be in their respective positions, but we continued trying to find the "upside" guys.

The difference between Washington and New England isn't that their GMs were trying to do different things (find value in free agency) but that one is competent, the other, to put it mildly, not.

Whenever Belichick took weird decisions and put unlikely people in positions, he would say "I did what I thought was best for the team" and, if it doesn't work out, "blame me".* That got frustrating, but there is one thing that it avoided: the ability of a useless GM to point the finger at the coaching staff (many of whom he recruited) for his own lousy performance.

*When it didn't work and Belichick was finally held responsible, he behaved as though blaming him was just ignorance and prejudice, and did nothing to support his successor -- but that's another story.

 

[Ring 6]

Pretty sure we didn't gave the cap space to resign Wilson...



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We had 40 mill.

 

[Thunderhead]

Did @captain stone give him a new name?

His name reminds me of walkie talkie.

 

[Pape]

We had 40 mill.

Guess you missed the /s or in this case /$... Stands for sarcasm... Thought using the dollar sign was clever because it was about the cap... Aka money...

 

[ErniesPinkStripes]

Excited for the Vrabel era. Let's see it big boy!

 

[203Pat]

The difference between Washington and New England isn't that their GMs were trying to do different things (find value in free agency) but that one is competent, the other, to put it mildly, not.

Whenever Belichick took weird decisions and put unlikely people in positions, he would say "I did what I thought was best for the team" and, if it doesn't work out, "blame me".* That got frustrating, but there is one thing that it avoided: the ability of a useless GM to point the finger at the coaching staff (many of whom he recruited) for his own lousy performance.

*When it didn't work and Belichick was finally held responsible, he behaved as though blaming him was just ignorance and prejudice, and did nothing to support his successor -- but that's another story.

Based on his first draft class it is hard to argue that Wolf knows what he's doing but at this point we don't even really know what capacity he's operating in. If he survives post-draft I don’t think he will be the one with final say on the roster as it will likely be Vrabel and Ryan Cowden. I think the only way we will ever be able to evaluate Wolf is if any of last year's draft class outside of Maye pan out but I honestly don't think Wolf will be around here long enough to find out.

 

[The Gr8est]

Based on his first draft class it is hard to argue that Wolf knows what he's doing but at this point we don't even really know what capacity he's operating in. If he survives post-draft I don’t think he will be the one with final say on the roster as it will likely be Vrabel and Ryan Cowden. I think the only way we will ever be able to evaluate Wolf is if any of last year's draft class outside of Maye pan out but I honestly don't think Wolf will be around here long enough to find out.

In Wolf’s defense, did we have coaches capable of developing players?

We only seemed capable of developing QBs as both Maye and Milton made progress.

 

[stcjones]

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! WTF!!!??????? Well there goes next season……

 

[Mike the Brit]

In Wolf’s defense, did we have coaches capable of developing players?

We only seemed capable of developing QBs as both Maye and Milton made progress.

Yes. The coaching was indeed lousy. But is that "in Wolf's defense"?

"The team welcomes 17 new additions to a staff that looks to be much different than any under Bill Belichick. De facto general manager Eliot Wolf’s fingerprints are all over these new additions, with many of his former Browns and Packers colleagues making their way to New England."

Patriots 2024 Staff Tracker: Jerod Mayo's Coaching Staff Features 17 New Faces - CLNS Media

Tracking all Patriots-centric coaching news as the Jerod Mayo era officially begins in New England.

www.clnsmedia.com

 

[203Pat]

In Wolf’s defense, did we have coaches capable of developing players?

We only seemed capable of developing QBs as both Maye and Milton made progress.

That is the gray area with Wolf and if all of a sudden if it looks like one of/some of Polk, Baker, Robinson, etc can play then it would seem Mayo's staff held back solid players Wolf identified. It really is annoying to basically now be in the third year in a row where we have to say "toss out what we saw last year because of the coaching staff" but here we are. We couldn't evaluate the offense in 2023 because of Patricia, then somehow it got worse the next year with BOB and the line coach going MIA and what an overall mess that staff was with the apparent infighting/freeze outs, and then on to last year with a completely incompetent group.

 

[captain stone]

I see 3 possible veteran not being favored in Vrabel and Williams system.. goddy, Tavai and wise.. Vrabel likes interior pressure and thumper at LB.. show me who's the Harold Landry at LB here...

Those 3 suck in Any defensive system; Vrabel/Williams' or anyone else's. The sooner that doGchow, Jalopy & Notso - and others - are Out the door, the sooner this franchise can truly begin to change the losing culture of entitlement pervasive throughout it.

 

[captain stone]

Pharms and Ellis particular are guys that peojec to be in the rotation.. for example in a one gap system it's actually better for players like them as they can penetrant and now have to do alot of thinking.. how they are depth/rotation guys.. if we get more out of them it's a plus.

Lil' Jerry Pharma from his sit-com college & the Elliss brother who sucks do NOT belong on the 53-man roster of a team that considers itself a Legit PO contender. If they're still here next season, then we're Not; nor will we begin to become one until they - and others - are Gone and are replaced by players who are, you know, good.

 

[captain stone]

Did @captain stone give him a new name?

His name reminds me of walkie talkie.

Or of these dudes:



Tiki-Taki would've been the 4th stooge there, with Nacki, Saki & Wacki. One Mild Samoan down; two more to go...

 

[Huckleberry1]

It’s too bad it didn’t work out. Most here loved the signing at the time, and Cleveland fans hated losing him. I don’t think he ever got healthy.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Ok. Doesn't really change my point though, to be at $118M-$112M vs. $130M. Just a little weird to be doing work on the margins like this that early with that much cap. But whatever, it's just Takitaki. I don't really care.

I think every team does housekeeping work like this before free agency.