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NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION Super Bowl LIX Game Day Thread: KC ChiRefs vs Philadelphia Eagles

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Let's have a Yacht Rock- based 1/2 time show

-Doobie Brothers
-Christopher Cross
-Toto
************, all those guys are in their 70s ffs. Anyone catch Sir Paul's "performance" on SNL a couple of nights ago? It will be more of that.
 
Good time for a Loggins and Messina and Chicago reunion

Kenny Loggins & Messina, absolutely.

I cannot abide by Chicago.
 
Thanks for the flashback!

I never saw that. There was a reel of hardest hits in the NFl and Collie was on the receiving end of two of them.
 
Kenny Loggins & Messina, absolutely.

I cannot abide by Chicago.
I've seen them twice in the past five years and they were great. Some of the original members are still going strong in their 70s. This past summer they toured with Earth Wind and Fire. They played a few songs together as an encore. Sign me up for that halftime show.
 
One of the greatest Crimes committed by the creatures approving these half-time shows is that AC/DC were Never invited while Malcolm Young was still alive. Unconscionable.
 
Knowing the NFL they will probably go to the other extreme next year and get some folk singer or religious singer to overcompensate. Reminds of me of Miss America pageant a few years ago. Miss America had to resign because of some s & M and bondage photos. The next year Bob Guccione published of Penthouse claimed to have nudes of on of the contestants. Who do they select as Miss America the next year?? Who was the least likely to have nudes? Miss Utah of course...
 
They should do something like "we have partnered with Dr Dre for the next 10 Super Bowl half time shows" and he designs the shows (maybe performs maybe not) but various artists from different genres come in and they do a mashup show and it's always different, exciting and simple. Throw in some acrobats and cool sets, easy peazy.
 
The copium in these threads lol

 
The copium in these threads lol


When you play 23 years you're bound to have a few bad games here and there lol Kermits been fortunate the AFC hasn't taken advantage on their down year's but its coming
 
"Tom Brady never lost like Mahomes in the playoffs Super Bowl”

Fixed it... Somebody re-twitter that to him? Kthnks!
 
Nevermind
 
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Mahomes still has a chance to catch Brady, but there are a lot of factors that make it fairly unlikely:

1) Longevity: Mahomes' playing style won't age as well as Brady's, clearly. He also doesn't seem to take care of his body the same way. Beyond all of that, Brady was also (a) lucky, and (b) a freak of nature. Other pocket passers clearly degraded in physical abilities over time - see Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Stafford, Rivers, Ryan, etc. The top 3 guys had some devastating injuries that caused that degradation, but the other 3 didn't and clearly still fell off. Brady in his last 2-3 years essentially looked like the same guy with the same pocket mobility and arm strength, with maybe his last year arguably showing some drop-off but that seemed to be more related to his divorce (he seemed to have lost a lot of weight during his "retirement/unretirement" offseason). So even if Mahomes makes the transition to pure pocket passer, it's no guarantee he will last nearly as long or as well as Brady did.

2) Coaching: Reid and Spags are in their mid-late 60s, with Reid being 67. That's equivalent to Bill in 2020. Will Reid coach another 10 years? Very unlikely - probably 3-5 tops. So Mahomes will have to weather a major coaching change that Brady never had to (until he left for TB).

3) Roster overhaul: the early Chiefs were powered by a core of superstars (Hill, Kelce, Jones). Hill is gone, Kelce is basically washed, and Jones is 31 at DT, meaning he's got maybe 1-2 years max of prime left. Similarly to the Patriots, the Chiefs are going to have to rebuild the roster not just from the starter/fringe level (which happens to some degree every year) but replace their non-QB superstar core. The Patriots faced this from 2008-2010 as all of the old defensive stars aged out, Moss aged/complained his way out, O-Line got completely overhauled. They were lucky to land a Superstar in Gronk and consistent PB-level contributors in McCourty, Hightower, Edelman, etc. That's what rejuvenated the franchise and led to the 2011-2018 period, the end of which came because those guys got old and the drafts from 2013-2018 were relatively barren. Can the Chiefs do it? Of course - the Patriots did. But the Patriots were the exception, not the norm - historically it's basically impossible to recreate your dynastic core, esp. with years of low draft picks and your QB taking up a big chunk of the salary cap.

As I stack it up, I think the Chiefs can squeeze 1-2 years more of contention out of this core but they are absolutely entering the ~05-09 period that the Patriots faced. They also have the additional challenges of the head coach being much older and their QB playing a style that is almost certainly going to age faster. Mahomes' playing style probably won't catch up to him in the next 2-3 years but 5+ is a crapshoot. Rodgers is probably the closest comp and he really hit a lull in the mid-2010s (coincident with several seasons cut short by injuries) until a new HC with a new offense gave him a 2-3 year jump start from 2019-2021 before age & injury finally caught up to him in 2022-2024. I don't think Mahomes at age 35 is going to be bad/Russel Wilson-fringe starter level, he will still be a top QB, but he's going to be worse than he is now and therefore will need even more help than he's had (which is a lot!) to see multiple SB-winning years, which places even more stress on the franchise to add new superstars.
 
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Mahomes still has a chance to catch Brady, but there are a lot of factors that make it fairly unlikely:

1) Longevity: Mahomes' playing style won't age as well as Brady's, clearly. He also doesn't seem to take care of his body the same way. Beyond all of that, Brady was also (a) lucky, and (b) a freak of nature. Other pocket passers clearly degraded in physical abilities over time - see Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Stafford, Rivers, Ryan, etc. The top 3 guys had some devastating injuries that caused that degradation, but the other 3 didn't and clearly still fell off. Brady in his last 2-3 years essentially looked like the same guy with the same pocket mobility and arm strength, with maybe his last year arguably showing some drop-off but that seemed to be more related to his divorce (he seemed to have lost a lot of weight during his "retirement/unretirement" offseason). So even if Mahomes makes the transition to pure pocket passer, it's no guarantee he will last nearly as long or as well as Brady did.

2) Coaching: Reid and Spags are in their mid-late 60s, with Reid being 67. That's equivalent to Bill in 2020. Will Reid coach another 10 years? Very unlikely - probably 3-5 tops. So Mahomes will have to weather a major coaching change that Brady never had to (until he left for TB).

3) Roster overhaul: the early Chiefs were powered by a core of superstars (Hill, Kelce, Jones). Hill is gone, Kelce is basically washed, and Jones is 31 at DT, meaning he's got maybe 1-2 years max of prime left. Similarly to the Patriots, the Chiefs are going to have to rebuild the roster not just from the starter/fringe level (which happens to some degree every year) but replace their non-QB superstar core. The Patriots faced this from 2008-2010 as all of the old defensive stars aged out, Moss aged/complained his way out, O-Line got completely overhauled. They were lucky to land a Superstar in Gronk and consistent PB-level contributors in McCourty, Hightower, Edelman, etc. That's what rejuvenated the franchise and led to the 2011-2018 period, the end of which came because those guys got old and the drafts from 2013-2018 were relatively barren. Can the Chiefs do it? Of course - the Patriots did. But the Patriots were the exception, not the norm - historically it's basically impossible to recreate your dynastic core, esp. with years of low draft picks and your QB taking up a big chunk of the salary cap.

As I stack it up, I think the Chiefs can squeeze 1-2 years more of contention out of this core but they are absolutely entering the ~05-09 period that the Patriots faced. They also have the additional challenges of the head coach being much older and their QB playing a style that is almost certainly going to age faster. Mahomes' playing style probably won't catch up to him in the next 2-3 years but 5+ is a crapshoot. Rodgers is probably the closest comp and he really hit a lull in the mid-2010s (coincident with several seasons cut short by injuries) until a new HC with a new offense gave him a 2-3 year jump start from 2019-2021 before age & injury finally caught up to him in 2022-2024. I don't think Mahomes at age 35 is going to be bad/Russel Wilson-fringe starter level, he will still be a top QB, but he's going to be worse than he is now and therefore will need even more help than he's had (which is a lot!) to see multiple SB-winning years, which places even more stress on the franchise to add new superstars.
I'd also add luck or lack of luck has a lot to do with it. Chiefs have never had to go into a postseason missing a superstar to injury etc All dynasties have luck though
 
Oh Jesus they’re bringing Kelce back next year. NFL must want Taylor to stick around. Bet the house on the Chiefs winning the AFC
 
Tom has longevity on a historic scale. Some QBs play into their 40s usually with a massive decline in play. Is Mahomes going to play into his 40s? I doubt it, Is somebody going to eventually step up as a 1A to the Chiefs ? Maybe. If Mahomes gets more chips than Brady than good on him, it’ll make it fun to cheer againstbhim. Hopefully with the Patriots becoming the 1A
 
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