Malcolm Butler sort of talks about his SB benching

[sb1]

“Coach’s decision”

And cost us a ring. No doubt about it

 

[signbabybrady]

 

[Betterthanmost]

That was weird.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

If he is not talking
Then it is something he did that was bad enough that he wants to just explain it as a “coaches decision”
Otherwise you stand on top of a building and scream as loud as you can

 

[TheRainMaker]

Butler crying right before the game told us he just found out.

And had this happened in 2014 during the 10 year drought, I think Bob would've fired Bill. However, I blame the veterans on defense and Tom Brady for not stepping up while the team was getting scored on to put him in. The leaders of the team didn't show up.

 

[Lansdowne]

If he is not talking
Then it is something he did that was bad enough that he wants to just explain it as a “coaches decision”
Otherwise you stand on top of a building and scream as load as you can

Whatever it is, he’s too ashamed to admit it publicly. And BB is keeping it hush-hush too. But there’s simply no way his benching was done to give the team a better chance at winning. Even if Butler was having a down season, he was better than having Rowe on an island all night. BB made a personal decision instead of a football decision, which was uncharacteristic for someone who was so emotionally detached and cerebral when it came to football operations. I’ll always love both BB and Butler, but this was a failure on both their parts and it cost them. I do wish Butler would man up and admit what he did to piss off BB, but I doubt we’ll ever know.

 

[signbabybrady]

Whatever it is, he’s too ashamed to admit it publicly. And BB is keeping it hush-hush too. But there’s simply no way his benching was done to give the team a better chance at winning. Even if Butler was having a down season, he was better than having Rowe on an island all night. BB made a personal decision instead of a football decision, which was uncharacteristic for someone who was so emotionally detached and cerebral when it came to football operations. I’ll always love both BB and Butler, but this was a failure on both their parts and it cost them. I do wish Butler would man up and admit what he did to piss off BB, but I doubt we’ll ever know.

How can you say in the first 2 sentence that neither have said anything but then go on to say it was something personal?

Butler basically just said it's none of the rumors that are out there.

 

[Lansdowne]

How can you say in the first 2 sentence that neither have said anything but then go on to say it was something personal?

Butler basically just said it's none of the rumors that are out there.

Occam’s razor. If it wasn’t personal than it was football-related. And I’m having a hard time believing his play fell so drastically that he was benched overnight and held to one special teams snap for it. It may not be any of the rumors that are out there, but if it was football-related, he wouldn’t have a problem saying it. Note that when he was asked if it was a football decision, he corrected it to say it was a coach’s decision. In other words, not a football decision. So that leaves us with only one other possibility: disciplined for personal reasons. We just don’t know what those reasons are because nobody is telling us.

 

[signbabybrady]

Occam’s razor. If it wasn’t personal than it was football-related. And I’m having a hard time believing his play fell so drastically that he was benched overnight and held to one special teams snap for it. It may not be any of the rumors that are out there, but if it was football-related, he wouldn’t have a problem saying it. Note that when he was asked if it was a football decision, he corrected it to say it was a coach’s decision. In other words, not a football decision. So that leaves us with only one other possibility: disciplined for personal reasons. We just don’t know what those reasons are because nobody is telling us.

A third option would be something personal on Butler's side. And there are more than just those 3 possibilities. We have no clue what happened so maybe Im not asking you the right question let me rephrase how can you call it uncharacteristic of someone if you don't know what happened?

 

[maust]

Occam’s razor. If it wasn’t personal than it was football-related. And I’m having a hard time believing his play fell so drastically that he was benched overnight and held to one special teams snap for it. It may not be any of the rumors that are out there, but if it was football-related, he wouldn’t have a problem saying it. Note that when he was asked if it was a football decision, he corrected it to say it was a coach’s decision. In other words, not a football decision. So that leaves us with only one other possibility: disciplined for personal reasons. We just don’t know what those reasons are because nobody is telling us.

Maybe it's just a case of...

 

[Nikolai]

Maybe it's just a case of...

Right up there with "don't meet your heroes" is "don't pursue hidden truths".

 

[lancerman]

How can you say in the first 2 sentence that neither have said anything but then go on to say it was something personal?

Butler basically just said it's none of the rumors that are out there.

If it was strictly football related, there was a point in the SB where there was no way to continue to justify it. Anyways there’s a reason it soured a lot of relationships, and people can have their opinions on Kraft, but if anyone else in the building knew why, it was him and he basically said he thought it was the only time during the run that the coach put himself above the team.

I also can’t verify it so I’m not going to put it out there, but the only explanation that I ever heard from people that work in the building was very personal and would cover why neither party wants to it out there because it’s embarrassing for both parties.

 

[signbabybrady]

If it was strictly football related, there was a point in the SB where there was no way to continue to justify it. Anyways there’s a reason it soured a lot of relationships, and people can have their opinions on Kraft, but if anyone else in the building knew why, it was him and he basically said he thought it was the only time during the run that the coach put himself above the team.

I also can’t verify it so I’m not going to put it out there, but the only explanation that I ever heard from people that work in the building was very personal and would cover why neither party wants to it out there because it’s embarrassing for both parties.

The stuff I've heard off the record would lead one to blame Butler more than Bill. But I've never really believed that stuff either.

 

[lancerman]

The stuff I've heard off the record would lead one to blame Butler more than Bill. But I've never really believed that stuff either.

The only reason I give credence to what I heard is because it would line up with the few drips others have alluded to and would cover why neither side is talking and the guy does have an actual “in” in the org. But it could also just be workplace gossip

And yes in this case I would say Butler was in the wrong and the problem was more him, but it was not a decision based on what helped the team win.

 

[signbabybrady]

The only reason I give credence to what I heard is because it would line up with the few drips others have alluded to and would cover why neither side is talking.

And yes in this case I would say Butler was in the wrong and the problem was more him, but it was not a decision based on what helped the team win.

Again I don't really believe those rumors but if one were to believe then it's quite a fine line to walk to say one person caused it but then blame the other guy for not ignoring it because it's the Superbowl.

It's certainly possible but if we put a ven diagram together of things that would fit with certain rumors but not be bad enough to warrant benching the cross section is pretty small. At the same time you could ask what in the ven diagram would justify benching but not justify dressing someone else instead.

None of it has ever made any sense so rather than taking it out anyone I just accept that it was what it was.

 

[lancerman]

Again I don't really believe those rumors but if one were to believe then it's quite a fine line to walk to say one person caused it but then blame the other guy for not ignoring it because it's the Superbowl.

It's certainly possible but if we put a ven diagram together of things that would fit with certain rumors but not be bad enough to warrant benching the cross section is pretty small. At the same time you could ask what in the ven diagram would justify benching but not justify dressing someone else instead.

None of it has ever made any sense so rather than taking it out anyone I just accept that it was what it was.

It depends. If we are talking about the same thing, I’ve heard of a worse happening in a locker room and the team saying “winning matters more”.

At this point it’s done though and clear that neither guy wants it out there. Everyone involved and effected had already moved past it after all these years

 

[jmt57]

 

[gobesmug]

Again I don't really believe those rumors but if one were to believe then it's quite a fine line to walk to say one person caused it but then blame the other guy for not ignoring it because it's the Superbowl.

It's certainly possible but if we put a ven diagram together of things that would fit with certain rumors but not be bad enough to warrant benching the cross section is pretty small. At the same time you could ask what in the ven diagram would justify benching but not justify dressing someone else instead.

None of it has ever made any sense so rather than taking it out anyone I just accept that it was what it was.

That's still a personal reason to not play him the entire game.

Bench him the first half then cut him after the game, but letting a personal reason outweigh a football decision was dumb.

 

[signbabybrady]

That's still a personal reason to not play him the entire game.

Bench him the first half then cut him after the game, but letting a personal reason outweigh a football decision was dumb.

With the little info we have it's never going to make sense but I suppose if you want to believe it was something personal then that's your choice. Just pointing out how people generally say they don't know what happened but then blame Bill.

 

[patfanken]

No coach is going to let a personal difference against a player get in the way of a championship game. Do you REALLY think Bill sat a heathy Malcolm for SPITE???? That would go against EVERYTHING the guy had don't during his first 50 years in the league. It makes absolutely no sense on ANY level. My proof is the lack of any so called "truth" to come out in 7 years since the game.

Even if Bill caught Malcolm sleeping with the missus, he wouldn't have done it out of respect to the other 52 players who had laid it on the line for him. If there is a story to be told somewhere down the line, it will be that for whatever reason, Malcolm was not the best player up for that particular game.