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The Browns are currently $30 plus million over the cap. They would take an additional $16 million cap hit if they cut or trade Garrett before June 1st. That means any trade will likely happen after that. That would mean the Pats would have to go through free agency and the draft not addressing edge rusher and hope they can get a deal done in the summer with the Browns.
Arrrg!!
 
The Patriots are 3 seasons away from serious contention, at best, and some people want to trade the 4 for a pass rusher who will be 33 by that time? You make a trade like this when it’s your biggest need and you are knocking on the door for a Lombardi, not 3-4 years out from that point. It never ceases to amaze me how batshit crazy some fans can be. Any time a big name comes up they absolutely have to have them, no matter how ludicrous the idea as, or the cost of it. I pity the fools.
 
The Patriots are 3 seasons away from serious contention, at best, and some people want to trade the 4 for a pass rusher who will be 33 by that time? You make a trade like this when it’s your biggest need and you are knocking on the door for a Lombardi, not 3-4 years out from that point. It never ceases to amaze me how batshit crazy some fans can be. Any time a big name comes up they absolutely have to have them, no matter how ludicrous the idea as, or the cost of it. I pity the fools.
The Bengals turned it around very quickly with Burrow.
 
The Browns are currently $30 plus million over the cap. They would take an additional $16 million cap hit if they cut or trade Garrett before June 1st. That means any trade will likely happen after that. That would mean the Pats would have to go through free agency and the draft not addressing edge rusher and hope they can get a deal done in the summer with the Browns.
They can address edge rusher and still trade for Garret. The only credible edge rushers we have on our team are Keion White and Anfernee Jennings. And neither of them are really ideal options for passing downs - Jennings is a run down package player in an ideal world and White is better served playing inside for passing downs. In an ideal world you'd like to have 3-4 guys to rotate through the EDGE spots on passing downs and we currently only have 2 guys who are credible players at the position to begin with and neither should be playing it on passing downs.

They could sign an edge rusher, draft one and still have a solid need for someone else. Especially if it's a player of Garret's caliber.
 
What we get #33 from Cleveland in the deal also??

It’s a terrible idea, period. They need to build through the draft and get the pieces they can’t get there in free agency. They need their high draft picks, and shouldn’t waste them on guys who won’t matter when they actually become contenders. This **** makes me nuts.
 
It’s a terrible idea, period. They need to build through the draft and get the pieces they can’t get there in free agency. They need their high draft picks, and shouldn’t waste them on guys who won’t matter when they actually become contenders. This **** makes me nuts.
 
He would be our Chris Jones a Game Changer.

We should trade Drake Maye for Aaron Rodgers. He’s great. He could be our Aaron Rodgers. The Jets traded for Aaron Rodgers and now have 2 more Lombardi’s.
 
It took him this long to request this?
When he started there the Browns looked like they were turning a corner. They had the horrible 0-16 season, but the jumped right to middle of the pack, they got Baker, looked like they finally had their QB, they had Stefanski and looked like they had stability at coaching. They finally won their first playoff game since they relaunch in the 90's after the team moved.

The Watson signing completely destroyed all of that and you know the team is stuck with this disaster and horrible contract for a bit. Now's the time to get out before he hits the wrong side of 30 and his options start becoming limited.
 
The Patriots are 3 seasons away from serious contention, at best, and some people want to trade the 4 for a pass rusher who will be 33 by that time? You make a trade like this when it’s your biggest need and you are knocking on the door for a Lombardi, not 3-4 years out from that point. It never ceases to amaze me how batshit crazy some fans can be. Any time a big name comes up they absolutely have to have them, no matter how ludicrous the idea as, or the cost of it. I pity the fools.
If he were a FA I'd sign him in a heartbeat but not trade for him when we have a bunch of holes to fill up
 
What if Cleveland came to us and said you can have Garrett for a 4th rounder (not number 4 overall, just a 4th rounder)….. but you have to take on Deshaun Watson and his contract. Pats are one of the few teams that can fit it, and Cleveland’s dead cap hit would be a lot smaller with a trade rather than a release. Basically the Nick Punto trade from 2012. Would you do it?

Pats would be on the hook for $46m in guaranteed salary in 2025 and $46m in guaranteed salary in 2026. Nothing else.
 
Please, please football gods! Make him a Patriot! Joe Milton and a 5th for myles???
 
What if Cleveland came to us and said you can have Garrett for a 4th rounder (not number 4 overall, just a 4th rounder)….. but you have to take on Deshaun Watson and his contract. Pats are one of the few teams that can fit it, and Cleveland’s dead cap hit would be a lot smaller with a trade rather than a release. Basically the Nick Punto trade from 2012. Would you do it?

Pats would be on the hook for $46m in guaranteed salary in 2025 and $46m in guaranteed salary in 2026. Nothing else.
I'm thinking we could offer a better scenario to avoid Watson. What if we offered them Joe Milton and the 3rd rounder we got for judon?? Garrett is still in his prime and the guys got a motor that never stops! He'd give the LT Dawson in Buffalo fits.
 
This is a piece you add when you are knocking on the door. They will want at least 1 first round pick +, and that will depend upon how high the pick is. The Patriots can’t afford to give up picks that high, they are at the beginning of the rebuild.
Garrett said he wanted to go somewhere where the plan was clear, qb in place and coaching. We've been rebuilding since brady left. We whiffed on the draft picks that is why we are where we are.
 
If he were a FA I'd sign him in a heartbeat but not trade for him when we have a bunch of holes to fill up

If he was a 26 year old free agent then it might make some sense, but when they aren’t going to be serious contenders for at least 3 seasons it doesn’t make sense to me to sign a high-priced pass rusher who will be 33 by the time they would be in contention.

If we were talking about a left tackle, or a really disruptive defensive tackle it would make sense, because that’s closer to their prime years, and they can be really productive into their mid, and sometimes late 30’s. But guys who rely on speed and quickness start a precipitous decline around 30, and drop off really fast at that point.

There are people here who want every big name that comes up, and think they can magically turn into a Super Bowl contender overnight, and that just isn’t going to happen, and they need to realize that. The reality is, at least imo, that no matter how good this offseason is they will be contending for a wild card, at best, next December. That makes them a .500 team that could squeeze into the playoffs. And maybe even get a playoff win. That’s the absolute best case scenario, and I’m an optimist, Then, if they can have another really good free agency and draft in 26’ they could possibly contend for the division, and maybe get a win or two in the playoffs, and that again would be a really optimistic scenario. IF they can put together 2 really good offseasons, and everything goes right it’s possible they could win their division and be actual contenders for a Championship in 27, and that’s a really sunny outlook, at which point they should be considering moves for a big time player who could be that key piece to get them over the top and to another Lombardi. That would make sense at that point, but making that move years away from real contention makes absolutely no sense at all, especially considering the position and likelihood of his play dropping off by then.
 
Well, on the other hand he is an accelerant to getting back in the playoffs.

QB- Check
CB1- Check
Pass rusher- Check
LT- Need
DT- Need
LBs- Need
WRs- Need

If they can nail down the "needs" over the next two years and Garrett can give them 4 years or reasonable top-level prod for a 2nd rounder it would be worth it.
Agreed. I think this is the year we can make the playoffs. I feel like we can solve the needs in the next 2 months. We all can Agree the problem last season was more on coaching then anything. If Vrabel and McDaniels had this team last season we win 8-9 games. I'll never overlook the importance of coaching again. Vrabel took Ryan Tannehill to the AFCCG and had the Chiefs on the ropes.
 
Garrett said he wanted to go somewhere where the plan was clear, qb in place and coaching. We've been rebuilding since brady left. We whiffed on the draft picks that is why we are where we are.

Other than getting Drake Maye what happened between Brady leaving and signing Vrabel is irrelevant. They are at the first stage of the rebuild. They have the franchise QB in place. Their roster is nowhere near that of a contending team, and they need to get both lines in order before making moves to add a superstar players at a high price. Going after Garrett is completely senseless, and would be a major waste of resources.
 
Other than getting Drake Maye what happened between Brady leaving and signing Vrabel is irrelevant. They are at the first stage of the rebuild. They have the franchise QB in place. There roster is nowhere near that of a contending team, and they need to get both lines in order before making moves to add a superstar players at a high price. Going after Garrett is completely senseless, and would be a major waste of resources.
Huck, it has relevance because we can't ignore that we missed on the draft. Bill was ultimately fired due to the drafting.. the drafting is a reason why the roster isn't good. Look at KC they drafted well, eagles drafted well. Post brady we haven't. The roster has bottomed out. I agree the trenches is where we need to dedicate resources. Furthermore realistically who knows what Cleveland would take for Garrett. Any contender is going to have give up draft capital.
 
Agreed. I think this is the year we can make the playoffs. I feel like we can solve the needs in the next 2 months. We all can Agree the problem last season was more on coaching then anything. If Vrabel and McDaniels had this team last season we win 8-9 games. I'll never overlook the importance of coaching again. Vrabel took Ryan Tannehill to the AFCCG and had the Chiefs on the ropes.
Yep coaching is a big part of it but as we all know the team needs talent to compete with the upper echelon teams.

We don't need all-pros at each position I mentioned but if Vrabel can improve each unit the playoffs are not an unreasonable goal in 2025.
 
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