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When the podcast is out, I recommend it highly.
Points Hoyer made:
1. Josh's system is the best one he ever played in even though he had so little time in it comparatively (he explicitly compared it to WCO and Kyle Shanahan's system).
2. McD's system is updated every year and takes new things from everywhere and can even look like WCO and use RPOs and everything, but the terminology and onus on the QB to take greater responsibility remains.
3. When we talk about a system being too complicated for football players, it's kind of a misunderstanding. The system is not super hard or very complex. Instead, a player simply has to dedicate himself to the work of doing it. Hoyer believes that almost any player can learn it if they do the work. He specifically singled out Kendrick Bourne as an example. He said KB dedicated himself to learning it and he did it (though it sounded like Hoyer had some doubts from being KBs teammate in San Fran; I think he implied that KBs work habits may not have been the best in SF, but it showed that most any WR can pick up the system if they buy in).
4. McDaniels by far spends more time coaching up his QB than any other OC he's ever been around. McD works harder and tries to align his system with the QB better than anyone. Drake Maye is in the best hands he could possibly be in. Players who have been around Maye (FYI, Hoyer has a weekly podcast with David Andrews) say that he is great at processing fast.
5. The WCO, by comparison, makes the QB feel like a cog in the machine, rather than a director, and if the QB is very good and has the skills, it will accentuate their abilities and run like a Lamborghini. But it can make an average QB look bad as the requirements are too tight (accuracy, velocity). Whereas Josh's system can give you a big advantage with a good QB with skills (accuracy, velocity), who processes well, but it can also make a QB without those abilities look good (he basically credits McD for Mac Jones's first year and he thinks Mac's deterioration is a result from Mac not having the same guidance; he thinks Mac is in a bad situation in Jax and may never get back to his rookie year output).
6. MOST IMPORTANTLY: Josh is very much like Vrabel in that they demand accountability from the players. He said the Raiders did not want to be held accountable. The Raiders were not interested in the level of accountability required to build a winner. He thinks the Raiders offense operated as it should have in McDs first year (11th best offense in the NFL with Garoppolo) and that Davante Adams and Josh Jacobs had career years under McD. I looked it up and although Adams only had 103 catches (which is not near his career high), he had 1500+ yards which is very similar to his only 1400+ year in Green Bay.
7. He cited Jakobi Meyers as an anomaly among the Raiders because Jakobi prides himself on working hard and being accountable, and that not signing Jakobi was a huge mistake for the Patriots. Hoyer really threw his old Raider teammates under the bus, I believe. You may think he did so out of loyalty to McD, but he actually reiterated several times that he has actually played very little under Josh. He did not make it seem as though he has an especially close relationship.
Essentially, Hoyer believes that McD and his offense are at the very height of what you want in an OC in the NFL and that Drake Maye's future has just been made.
Points Hoyer made:
1. Josh's system is the best one he ever played in even though he had so little time in it comparatively (he explicitly compared it to WCO and Kyle Shanahan's system).
2. McD's system is updated every year and takes new things from everywhere and can even look like WCO and use RPOs and everything, but the terminology and onus on the QB to take greater responsibility remains.
3. When we talk about a system being too complicated for football players, it's kind of a misunderstanding. The system is not super hard or very complex. Instead, a player simply has to dedicate himself to the work of doing it. Hoyer believes that almost any player can learn it if they do the work. He specifically singled out Kendrick Bourne as an example. He said KB dedicated himself to learning it and he did it (though it sounded like Hoyer had some doubts from being KBs teammate in San Fran; I think he implied that KBs work habits may not have been the best in SF, but it showed that most any WR can pick up the system if they buy in).
4. McDaniels by far spends more time coaching up his QB than any other OC he's ever been around. McD works harder and tries to align his system with the QB better than anyone. Drake Maye is in the best hands he could possibly be in. Players who have been around Maye (FYI, Hoyer has a weekly podcast with David Andrews) say that he is great at processing fast.
5. The WCO, by comparison, makes the QB feel like a cog in the machine, rather than a director, and if the QB is very good and has the skills, it will accentuate their abilities and run like a Lamborghini. But it can make an average QB look bad as the requirements are too tight (accuracy, velocity). Whereas Josh's system can give you a big advantage with a good QB with skills (accuracy, velocity), who processes well, but it can also make a QB without those abilities look good (he basically credits McD for Mac Jones's first year and he thinks Mac's deterioration is a result from Mac not having the same guidance; he thinks Mac is in a bad situation in Jax and may never get back to his rookie year output).
6. MOST IMPORTANTLY: Josh is very much like Vrabel in that they demand accountability from the players. He said the Raiders did not want to be held accountable. The Raiders were not interested in the level of accountability required to build a winner. He thinks the Raiders offense operated as it should have in McDs first year (11th best offense in the NFL with Garoppolo) and that Davante Adams and Josh Jacobs had career years under McD. I looked it up and although Adams only had 103 catches (which is not near his career high), he had 1500+ yards which is very similar to his only 1400+ year in Green Bay.
7. He cited Jakobi Meyers as an anomaly among the Raiders because Jakobi prides himself on working hard and being accountable, and that not signing Jakobi was a huge mistake for the Patriots. Hoyer really threw his old Raider teammates under the bus, I believe. You may think he did so out of loyalty to McD, but he actually reiterated several times that he has actually played very little under Josh. He did not make it seem as though he has an especially close relationship.
Essentially, Hoyer believes that McD and his offense are at the very height of what you want in an OC in the NFL and that Drake Maye's future has just been made.
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