Is it possible that the #1 pick wont be as valuable as we thought this year?

[EMpats]

If Sanders is available at 4 and hunter/carter are gone, I could see the Raiders trading up from 6 for a second round pick. We could still get Campbell or McMillan at 6.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Looking thrilled.

Chargers with Eli might have gotten over the hump. To have that much talent in a five year span and make one AFC title game is crazy.

Undoubtedly, they win the SB in 06 without that fumble. That team was stacked.

 

[Love The Drake]

He might be the first player taken. This is one of the poorest draft I've seen in quite a while.

Tet, I don't know. We've seen big tall receivers who physically dominate in college but fail in the NFL. He just doesn't have quick twitch movements to separate from NFL DBs. If he uses his physicality well he could be like Anquan or maybe even Larry Fitz, but I don't want another N'Keal when we're picking Top 5.

I don’t want Tet.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I'm convinced Mayo knew he was out before the game.. so he played to win.. something he never did all season

That is my theory too.

I think maybe he coached to lose and just screwed that up, too.

He pulled a Costanza Opposite Day?

 

[Grogan14]

Tv

He might be the first player taken. This is one of the poorest draft I've seen in quite a while.

Tet, I don't know. We've seen big tall receivers who physically dominate in college but fail in the NFL. He just doesn't have quick twitch movements to separate from NFL DBs. If he uses his physicality well he could be like Anquan or maybe even Larry Fitz, but I don't want another N'Keal when we're picking Top 5.

completely agree that this draft sucks.
Look at Jalen Carter on the eagles, he was drafted at 9 in 2023. He is the most dominant DT in NFL today.
There were no players like him in this year’s draft and if there were, they would be sure fire number one overall pick

 

[condon84]

Don’t sleep on Mason Graham. Might be the best player in this draft class. Harbaugh called him “a gift from the football gods”. I’d like to see the Pats take either Carter or Graham at 4 and find other ways to deal with their needs at OT & WR.

Carter/ Graham would give the Pats a defensive centerpiece that every opponent would have to gameplan against for the next decade. The only way to get guys like this are to pick at the top of the draft.

Agree with this take. We need an impact front 8 player on D. We lost 6 one score games last year and primarily because we couldn't get off the field on defense. Carter would be ideal, but Graham is also a beast.

Also if somehow Hunter drops to 4th, would you take him over Carter? I think Carter is the target, but if he's not there and it's between Graham and Hunter, I would go Hunter. He's just too good of a football player to pass up.

 

[JohnJH]

I think we are on that Track with BB jr: Mike Vrabel.

You know, if Vrabel becomes B.B. Jr. that actually can consistently draft WR's (or any other position for that matter), then that would be AWESOME!!!

 

[The Gr8est]

To be exact “Mayo” can now be a verb.

“While being in a position where a loss would have ensured the Pats the #1 overall pick, the Pats Mayoed it by winning.

“You’re up now Jim, please select a category”

“I’ll take ‘Forgotten Coaches’ for $100.”

“This first year head coach actually won his team’s final game, costing his team the chance to have the top overall choice in the NFL draft.”

Buzzz….

“Who was Rod Rust”?

No, I’m so sorry Jim, it was Jerod Mayo.”

 

[PatsFan2]

Don’t sleep on Mason Graham. Might be the best player in this draft class. Harbaugh called him “a gift from the football gods”. I’d like to see the Pats take either Carter or Graham at 4 and find other ways to deal with their needs at OT & WR.

Carter/ Graham would give the Pats a defensive centerpiece that every opponent would have to gameplan against for the next decade. The only way to get guys like this are to pick at the top of the draft.

They're going get a chance to work him out.

 

[sportnik]

Agree with this take. We need an impact front 8 player on D. We lost 6 one score games last year and primarily because we couldn't get off the field on defense. Carter would be ideal, but Graham is also a beast.

Also if somehow Hunter drops to 4th, would you take him over Carter? I think Carter is the target, but if he's not there and it's between Graham and Hunter, I would go Hunter. He's just too good of a football player to pass up.

I’d lean heavily towards front 7, but if it’s clear that Hunter is by far the BPA when they pick, they would have to take him.

When you pick in the Top 5, you have to get a stud. You can’t be drafting for need.

 

[The Gr8est]

I’d lean heavily towards front 7, but if it’s clear that Hunter is by far the BPA when they pick, they would have to take him.

When you pick in the Top 5, you have to get a stud. You can’t be drafting for need.

I like Graham if we stay at four, but an imaginative coaching staff could have a lot of fun with Hunter, as long as they don’t over use him.

 

[lancerman]

Trade back to 10 if possible

What's the trade. It's highly likely the top QB and and Carter/Hunter are gone. The second highest QB is not must have this draft so you aren't getting a haul and the draft is so light that the 10 pick is not getting you close to what you might at 4.

People are underselling Tet because they are gun shy from Harry. He's a far better prospect and the clear cut top WR in the draft right now. Any OL you can think of has as much or bigger a likelyhood of busting and a lower ceiling. Maybe Mason Graham, but he's a big step down.

 

[lancerman]

Agree with this take. We need an impact front 8 player on D. We lost 6 one score games last year and primarily because we couldn't get off the field on defense. Carter would be ideal, but Graham is also a beast.

Also if somehow Hunter drops to 4th, would you take him over Carter? I think Carter is the target, but if he's not there and it's between Graham and Hunter, I would go Hunter. He's just too good of a football player to pass up.

Hunter just doesn't make sense for the Pats. If you are dead set on taking a CB, then yeah sure. But it's not close to a position of need right now. If you are thinking about getting him at WR, you take Tet because he's a far surer thing at WR.

Carter or Graham could make sense, but the truth is that if everyone is right and the defense was mostly bad because of Mayo and we were going to take a big step up this year, you could just end up having a lopsided team again because you passed on offense once again at a premium pick

 

[lancerman]

I like Graham if we stay at four, but an imaginative coaching staff could have a lot of fun with Hunter, as long as they don’t over use him.

The issue with Hunter is that it's a bird in the hand vs two in the bush situation. His best case scenario is that he comes in, focuses mostly on CB and becomes an elite CB and we can sporadically use him at WR in designed packages. His worst case scenario is that he doesn't have as much room to grow as CB and isn't even the best this draft and he doesn't have the luxury of spending time at WR.

Meanwhile there's pretty clear prospects that most draftboards view as a consensus better CB or WR than him which would be more justifiable than chasing a unicorn.

Like he could be amazing. He could also could land in a lot of spots and some of those don't make sense for the Pats. Like let's say we get him, he just becomes an elite CB but isn't doing much at WR. Okay... Patriots just double downed on their biggest strength as a team and are lopsided. On top of that, unless this rebuild goes horrifically wrong, contracts will come up and all of a sudden you have to decide if you want to give top end money to two elite CB's in Gonzalez and Hunter, which at that point, hopefully you are more concerned about contending and having players all over the place and fielding a full team and aren't in a position to make a luxury play like that.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

It’s very likely to go Hunter, Carter, Ward.

I don’t think teams are high enough on Sanders to trade up. He’s not a top 10 talent and teams aren’t going to trade the farm for him

Deion thinks so... /lol

 

[signbabybrady]

The issue with Hunter is that it's a bird in the hand vs two in the bush situation. His best case scenario is that he comes in, focuses mostly on CB and becomes an elite CB and we can sporadically use him at WR in designed packages. His worst case scenario is that he doesn't have as much room to grow as CB and isn't even the best this draft and he doesn't have the luxury of spending time at WR.

Meanwhile there's pretty clear prospects that most draftboards view as a consensus better CB or WR than him which would be more justifiable than chasing a unicorn.

Like he could be amazing. He could also could land in a lot of spots and some of those don't make sense for the Pats. Like let's say we get him, he just becomes an elite CB but isn't doing much at WR. Okay... Patriots just double downed on their biggest strength as a team and are lopsided. On top of that, unless this rebuild goes horrifically wrong, contracts will come up and all of a sudden you have to decide if you want to give top end money to two elite CB's in Gonzalez and Hunter, which at that point, hopefully you are more concerned about contending and having players all over the place and fielding a full team and aren't in a position to make a luxury play like that.

There's a lot of people that think he's both the best WR in this class and the best CB in this class.

I don't think it matters too much either way because he's going 1 or 2. The only thing that changes how high he goes is QB and really just Ward. So 1 or 2.

 

[lancerman]

Deion thinks so... /lol

If that kid didn't have the last name Sanders, the debate would be whether he'd even get picked in the first round.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

If that kid didn't have the last name Sanders, the debate would be whether he'd even get picked in the first round.

No doubt. I'm sure he's 90% daddy's mouth and 10% talent...

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Please go TRENCH.
Win and Lose in the trenches, our Lines last year proved this, because we lost at the LOS.

Richard Seymour waves to David Terrell.

 

[lancerman]

There's a lot of people that think he's both the best WR in this class and the best CB in this class.

I don't think it matters too much either way because he's going 1 or 2. The only thing that changes how high he goes is QB and really just Ward. So 1 or 2.

Carter will also effect it. It's easy to see him as more of a surefire pick if you need a pass rusher and don't want to roll the dice on Hunter's potential. Realistically the best thing that could happen is

1. Titans: Ward
2. Browns: Carter
3. Giants: Sanders

The worst thing that could happen is something like

1. Titans: Hunter
2. Browns: Carter
3. Giants: Ward.

The second best would probably be the first scenario but swap out Carter for Hunter.

You could get some sort of decent trade down for Hunter. I can't see it happening for Sanders. Just don't see the return being there for how far you would need to drop. Going down to even 6 for the Raiders means you pass up Carter, Hunter, Tet, Graham who are imo the consensus best in the draft and at 4 we should be more concerned with coming away with either a top prospect rusher, WR or if you want to take the risk Hunter.