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[festy1986]

Well, that's just stupid for reporters like Breer to be OK with that. Hamilton and Leftwich. I bet everyone in the NFL remembers them now. I bet none of them even know Locksley was interviewed by the Jets.

Patriots were very beneficial to 2 minority candidates wanting to get back into the NFL. The entire purpose of the Rooney rule.

Somehow burying the Rooney rule candidates in a wave of interviews is better? It's not, it is worse.

Your problem, like the OP is not with Breer but the NFL.

The problem prayer had is it was a sham process. It was. They knew who they wanted. They fired Mayo because who they wanted was available.

It was a kangaroo court. This isn't a debate. The whole thing was embarrassing for everyone involved.

It doesn't have to be this way. The NFL should get rid of the rule. All it does is parade around minorities like tokens and doesn't work as they intended it to.

I do think it's hilarious that you think this rule benefit it to minorities who otherwise would not have interviews. They're not going to be back in the NFL and if they are back in the NFL it's not going to be because the Patriots interviewed them. The Patriots looked at two very unserious candidates because no self-respecting candidate would take the interview.

 

[festy1986]

The Krafts (on Monday): "We want to hire Vrabel or Johnson because they're the cream of the crop"

The League: "Johnson isn't allowed to interview until Thursday or Friday per our rules"

The Krafts: "Okay well we will interview Vrabel first I guess"

Vrabel: "I can't do it til Thursday, I have a couple others lined up I already committed to"

The Krafts: "Okay, well we will knock those out on Thursday/Friday and then make a decision"

The League: "No!!! You can't, you have to interview 2 minorities before you can hire anyone!!"

The Krafts: "Oh, right. Well... Let's see if we can get a couple of available guys here in the meantime who fit the bill who have fallen out of the conversation lately and get their names circulating again, I bet they would appreciate that."

The Media: "You are evil bastards, you can only interview minorities that Twitter users say are qualified enough for an interview! And you have to space them out a little bit or something. Can't you just pretend like everyone else?"

That's a lot of words just to say that they really wanted to hire Vrabel. It was a done deal before they fired Mayo.

I don't think anyone can objectively say that the Patriots took the Rooney rule serious.

But who cares. It's a dumb rule and the NFL is out here embarrassing minorities for their own benefit.

It's not Breer fault that the Krafts couldn't take the hiring process seriously.

 

[XLIX]

That's a lot of projection my friend.

He said it was ridiculous that the Patriots interviewed two minority coaches that they had no intention of hiring. They completed these interviews on the first day after Robert Kraft press conference. This was not a serious attempt to find a head coach.

He said that they didn't take the process seriously because they already had their person in mind.

No one denies these things. They were never going to hire those guys and they were always going to hire Vrabel.

Breer is not wrong on this matter. This is not a patriot issue though. This is a league wide issue. Every single team does this.

Breer was unnecessarily critical of the Patriots though.

Did they interview 2 HCs they had no intention of hiring? Absolutely.

Why did they do that? Because the League literally forces them to.

Don’t hate on the player, hate on the game. The League literally forces teams to conduct sham interviews. That is the very nature of the Rooney Rule.

 

[festy1986]

Breer was unnecessarily critical of the Patriots though.

Did they interview 2 HCs they had no intention of hiring? Absolutely.

Why did they do that? Because the League literally forces them to.

Don’t hate on the player, hate on the game. The League literally forces teams to conduct sham interviews. That is the very nature of the Rooney Rule.

That's what I said.

The process was BS because rehy should of cast a wider net even though though they knew who they was hiring.

Context matters here. Last year they had zero search at all. This year they barely even scratched the service.

They should of interviewed a dozen candidates frankly across half the league just for their own benefit to see how other teams are operating. I think that's part if the criticism here. No serious minority candidate was taking interviews because it was a open secret on who they was hiring to begin with.

To me the whole thing is a non story. The NFL needs to end the rule. I understand the intent but it doesn't work they way they want it to.

 

[KCSVEN]

I hate to be defending the Jets, but even though Glenn and Flores don't technically qualify because they're zoom interviews, Glenn appears a leading candidate for the job. The Jets also interviewed Vance Joseph, Ron Rivera, and have requested an interview with Joe Whitt Jr. At some point multiple zoom interviews, some of which are serious, have to count for something.

I agree with Breer. Even though technically the rule is clear, the Jets certainly have more than satisfied the spirit of the Rooney rule, while the Patriots in real life, mailed it in. Lumping the two situations together would make Breer look like an idiot, especially if Glenn is hired.

I find it humorous that nearly everyone on this board thought Kraft would not fire Mayo because of the minority issue, and then Kraft essentially blew off the Rooney rule.

Not that I think the Patriots did anything wrong.

I guess we will disagree with what the Rooney rule is supposed to do. Jets checked the box with a complete sham interview. Who cares what other minorities they interviewed. They would have interviewed them regardless of the Rooney rule.

 

[KCSVEN]

I do think it's hilarious that you think this rule benefit it to minorities who otherwise would not have interviews. They're not going to be back in the NFL and if they are back in the NFL it's not going to be because the Patriots interviewed them. The Patriots looked at two very unserious candidates because no self-respecting candidate would take the interview.

Wrong, none of the self-respecting candidates count toward the Rooney rule so completely irrelevant to the Rooney rule.

 

[festy1986]

Wrong, none of the self-respecting candidates count toward the Rooney rule so completely irrelevant to the Rooney rule.

No. Objectively you are wrong.

The Rooney rule isn't about giving unserious candidates a opportunity they wouldn't otherwise have. It's about giving minorities a chance they wouldn't otherwise have because people like Kraft focus in on their buddies instead of having a real hiring process.

Just say you hate the dei initiative and be done with it.

 

[festy1986]

I guess we will disagree with what the Rooney rule is supposed to do. Jets checked the box with a complete sham interview. Who cares what other minorities they interviewed. They would have interviewed them regardless of the Rooney rule.

Yes because minorities have a strong history of getting interviews on their merits, skill and qualifications and being hired out of the interview process in the NFL.

There's a reason they put the rule into effect.

 

[KCSVEN]

No. Objectively you are wrong.

The Rooney rule isn't about giving unserious candidates a opportunity they wouldn't otherwise have. It's about giving minorities a chance they wouldn't otherwise have because people like Kraft focus in on their buddies instead of having a real hiring process.

Just say you hate the dei initiative and be done with it.

Totally in favor of the Rooney rule. 1000%. They need to adjust the details to avoid doing what Bears and Jets did..

You keep saying the same thing and ignore the fact that MOST guys you list do not count toward the Rooney rule.

If you interview guys that have zero to do with the Rooney rule I'm not sure why they are held out as examples of the Rooney rule?

 

[KCSVEN]

Yes because minorities have a strong history of getting interviews on their merits, skill and qualifications and being hired out of the interview process in the NFL.

There's a reason they put the rule into effect.

Sounds like you agree with me, they need to adjust the Rooney rule so teams can interview candidates that count toward the Rooney rule that are qualified and not do what the Bears, Jets and Patriots and every other team has to do and not have to resort to having to interview people not qualified.

You are going down the wrong path, you are not listening to what I am saying, you have blinders on.

If you have a black sounding name you are 25% less likely to have your resume chosen for an interview.
A few years ago they did an experiment in a city were they sent an African American 18 year old to 20 establishments advertising for a job. 19 said they had already filled the position and the other didn't hire him
The next day they sent a white 18-year-old with similar resume, 19 of the 20 hired him.

It's ridiculous people think DEI is taking jobs from white people and should be based solely on merit because there is ZERO evidence it's a fair situation.

SO, yeah I get it. That's 100% different than calling out the Patriots who had to do what they did in order to move fast on their hire. Otherwise, time goes on things change you lose your guy. It's a billion-dollar business, they did their research and determined what they were going to do and who they would hire. They followed the rule the same way other teams interviewed completely unqualified candidates to fill the rule yet somehow skirt criticism

Nobody has named a single person they could have interviewed that week to satisfy the Rooney rule.
They are getting crap because they knew who they wanted to hire.

The league needs to fix the strict rules and adjust the Rooney rule to better do what it was initially intended to do.

 

[festy1986]

Totally in favor of the Rooney rule. 1000%. They need to adjust the details to avoid doing what Bears and Jets did..

You keep saying the same thing and ignore the fact that MOST guys you list do not count toward the Rooney rule.

If you interview guys that have zero to do with the Rooney rule I'm not sure why they are held out as examples of the Rooney rule?

The Rooney rule only states that you must interview two external minority candidates.

I'm not sure what you're saying but I think it sounds like you're saying that qualified minority candidates cannot fulfill this quota because they're qualified and thus do not need the help of the Rooney rule? That the Rooney rule somehow helped Byron and Pep because they would otherwise have zero chance of a interview, not because of their minority status but because of their resume?

If that's what you're saying then I disagree. They had the interview because no serious candidate answered the call.

In the 80 years predating the Rooney Rule, there were only five Black head coaches in modern NFL history, not including Fritz Pollard, who coached various NFL teams throughout the 1920s. In the nearly 20 years since the policy was enacted, 15 new Black coaches have been hired.

Rooney Rule at 20: A look back at the policy that changed the NFL's hiring of Black coaches - Andscape

Sidelined is a season-long look at the NFL’s lack of diversity among coaches and team executives. On a January morning in 2002, civil rights attorney Cyrus Mehri was in the middle of his daily routine of reading the newspaper. As he read through the sports section, which he always turned to...

andscape.com

That's pretty damning to have only 5 minority head coaches hired in around 80 years time. It speaks for it self.

 

[KCSVEN]

The Rooney rule only states that you must interview two external minority candidates.

I'm not sure what you're saying but I think it sounds like you're saying that qualified minority candidates cannot fulfill this quota because they're qualified and thus do not need the help of the Rooney rule? That the Rooney rule somehow helped Byron and Pep because they would otherwise have zero chance of a interview, not because of their minority status but because of their resume?

If that's what you're saying then I disagree. They had the interview because no serious candidate answered the call.

In the 80 years predating the Rooney Rule, there were only five Black head coaches in modern NFL history, not including Fritz Pollard, who coached various NFL teams throughout the 1920s. In the nearly 20 years since the policy was enacted, 15 new Black coaches have been hired.

Rooney Rule at 20: A look back at the policy that changed the NFL's hiring of Black coaches - Andscape

Sidelined is a season-long look at the NFL’s lack of diversity among coaches and team executives. On a January morning in 2002, civil rights attorney Cyrus Mehri was in the middle of his daily routine of reading the newspaper. As he read through the sports section, which he always turned to...

andscape.com

That's pretty damning to have only 5 minority head coaches hired in around 80 years time. It speaks for it self.

They MUST be in person interviews. You can't satisfy the Rooney rule and move fast with Glenn level coaches. Most qualified coaches fall into that same issue.
Read my other post, I 100% agree with the need for the Rooney rule. Not the point I'm making.

If Pats wanted to have the HC in place fast, to get moving on the off season, who could they have interviewed the first week people would have been OK with that satisfied the Rooney Rule?

 

[festy1986]

They MUST be in person interviews. You can't satisfy the Rooney rule and move fast with Glenn level coaches. Most qualified coaches fall into that same issue.
Read my other post, I 100% agree with the need for the Rooney rule. Not the point I'm making.

So your point is is that there are no qualified minorities on non playoff teams?

I just don't see how interviewing two men who haven't even been in the league for 2 years each is taking this hiring process seriously.

They aren't even qualified for the job. Period. Just like Mayo.

Surely there are people on non playoff teams that were available for in-person interviews who were much more qualified both for the head coaching job and to fulfill the Rooney rule.

 

[Ross12]

So your point is is that there are no qualified minorities on non playoff teams?

I just don't see how interviewing two men who haven't even been in the league for 2 years each is taking this hiring process seriously.

They aren't even qualified for the job. Period. Just like Mayo.

Surely there are people on non playoff teams that were available for in-person interviews who were much more qualified both for the head coaching job and to fulfill the Rooney rule.

Even if they wanted to interview, let's say, Anthony Weaver who is Miami's DC - he wouldn't count because he couldn't be interviewed in person until January 20th, again per league rules. Whether a team made the playoffs or not, they are subject to the same timeframe restrictions. The only way to satisfy the rule in the timeframe they wanted was to interview minority candidates who were not employed by a team in 2024.

 

[festy1986]

Even if they wanted to interview, let's say, Anthony Weaver who is Miami's DC - he wouldn't count because he couldn't be interviewed in person until January 20th, again per league rules. Whether a team made the playoffs or not, they are subject to the same timeframe restrictions. The only way to satisfy the rule in the timeframe they wanted was to interview minority candidates who were not employed by a team in 2024.

Well this is stupid. I understand the point now.

 

[XLIX]

So your point is is that there are no qualified minorities on non playoff teams?

I just don't see how interviewing two men who haven't even been in the league for 2 years each is taking this hiring process seriously.

I don't see how conducting sham interviews with 2 different minority coaches means the Patriots took it more seriously than they did.

We all knew there was 1 real candidate for the job, with a 2nd guy who was a longshot. Both those guys are white. As such, no matter who the Patriots interviewed to satisfy the Rooney Rule, it was going to be a sham.

You notion that it is less of a sham if they interviewed, for example, a qualified minority from a non-playoff team holds no water.

 

[Family]

Totally in favor of the Rooney rule. 1000%. They need to adjust the details to avoid doing what Bears and Jets did..

You keep saying the same thing and ignore the fact that MOST guys you list do not count toward the Rooney rule.

So you are saying the Patriots satisfied the Rooney rule by interviewing a has been like Leftwich because it can get him back in the league, but the Jets did not because they interviewed 5 candidates, some of whom are seriously in line for the job?

Sound like a take from the Patriots PR department.

 

[KCSVEN]

So you are saying the Patriots satisfied the Rooney rule by interviewing a has been like Leftwich because it can get him back in the league, but the Jets did not because they interviewed 5 candidates, some of whom are seriously in line for the job?

Sound like a take from the Patriots PR department.

None of those people satisfied the Rooney rule and we’re talking about the Rooney rule
It’s already been established they interviewed somebody less qualified than patriot did to satisfy the Rooney rule

 

[Ross12]

Well this is stupid. I understand the point now.

Yes, I think the restrictions on candidates from teams who are not even in the postseason is pretty dumb and is what a lot of people miss. Those guys would be the ones getting the interviews otherwise. The league can fix this by either A) removing that restriction, or B) just making a blanket rule that NO in-person interviews can be done until a specific day. It seems like their intent was to slow down the interview cycle, but when there are exceptions for people who are not currently employed by a team it creates all these silly scenarios.

 

[festy1986]

I don't see how conducting sham interviews with 2 different minority coaches means the Patriots took it more seriously than they did.

We all knew there was 1 real candidate for the job, with a 2nd guy who was a longshot. Both those guys are white. As such, no matter who the Patriots interviewed to satisfy the Rooney Rule, it was going to be a sham.

You notion that it is less of a sham if they interviewed, for example, a qualified minority from a non-playoff team holds no water.

It's a sham because the process was a joke. They held the process for league mandate only. They gave the job to the guy they wanted to regardless of how those interviews went.

It's not a sham because they chose two minorities who didn't qualify for the job to interview.