PATRIOTS NEWS Ryan Cowden to join front office

[mgteich]

Being smart is not a prerequisite for being an NFL team owner

posters are smart

billionaire owners are dumb

???

 

[Huckleberry1]

Why are there so many Wolf advocates here? He was just as terrible at his job as Mayo, possibly worse. If Belichick had made the picks Wolf made, everyone would be up in arms.

Belichick’s drafts sucked. Go back and look at all of his misses and you will see that drafting wasn’t his strength. Wolf got them their franchise QB in his first draft, and it looks like he got his back up as well. If you apply the same standards to every GM then they all suck and all their picks who didn’t contribute significantly this season are busts. It’s ****ing idiocy. Feel free to go look at the drafts of every other team, and see how much the day 2 and 3 picks contributed this season, and you will find out that it was no better than it was here. And as an example I cite the two tackles that people here were crying about Wolf passing on. Sulamanaia and Paul, who ended up doing NOTHING this season. The vast majority of players picked after the first round do not make it in the NFL, and rookie free agents are more likely to make it than players picked after the third round.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Catching people up on NEM aka AWOM:

Mike Holovak knew my name!
I published a newsletter when Babe Parilli was the QB!
I was a legend on Phoenix sports talk radio!
They need to run more passes and in-cuts!
I met Bob Kraft in Glendale during Super Bowl week and explained this, Bob nodded at me and smiled!

I think that’s “ slants and cut ins.” NEM was definitely one of a kind.

 

[mgteich]

Why are there so many Wolf advocates here? He was just as terrible at his job as Mayo, possibly worse. If Belichick had made the picks Wolf made, everyone would be up in arms.

The reality is that you don't seem to know what Wolf's job was, is, or will be.

 

[reflexblue]

As mentioned by someone else he's only been with the Giants for 2 years. I know Pats fans are like millennials and need instant gratification but that's not how it works.

Just look at the draft they just had and the reviews all say they were one of the best in the league. He was on the staff at Carolina during their successful run in the early 2000s.

Im 71, so i don't think i qualify as a millennial. i just have never heard his name before in any capacity.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Interesting comment by Vrabes re: Wolf

He used his words very carefully.

"There were some things that didn't allow him to completely invest in personnel".

3:35 mark.

 

[Dec54]

Great… nothing better than a big sprawling clusterfck of collaboration when it comes to personnel, that way we won’t know who to blame when it crashes down on our heads.

That's what we like positive thinking. You are inspiring.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Do you understand that if they bring in someone over Wolf they need to do Rooney Rules, but a lateral guy or below Wolf avoids it? It's day one of the new regime. Wolf is not in charge anymore, Vrabel is. Vrabel brings in his guy...day one.

Correct. Even though Cowden has 'assistant of player personnel' title, I would expect his influence to be quite high in the draft room. If Wolf wants to override Cowden's opinions, he better have damn good reasons that Vrabel accepts. I think it's going to be a collaborative effort.

The main thing I want is to see that ancient scouting system reworked. Under BB we had the fewest scouts in the NFL and they obviously were also legally blind when it comes to evaluating WR talents.

 

[reflexblue]

Why dont you write Bob Kraft a letter.

It worked for NEM.

Remember he use to call Ian at home and complain. You know your special when you can do that.

 

[Tunescribe]

Bro. Why is everyone in such dammed hurry to say this is a cluster eff? Vrabel was named HC today, and the first thing he does is bring in HIS front office guy that he wanted in Tennessee. To @RobertWeathers point, Vrabel is in charge now.

Do we have to have it spelled out on gory detail?

A couple possibilities pretty much everyone has overlooked: Consider that Wolf might be amenable to deferring final say on players to Vrabel. Also, that Vrabel actually might like Wolf and figure he can be productive alongside Cowden. It doesn't necessarily have to be an "either/or" situation.

 

[Zuma]

billionaire owners are dumb

Woody Johnson = dumb

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

I thought they'd still need to fulfill the Rooney Rule for a role like this... let me look up the rule again... It says the rule must be followed "for any senior level executive position". Does VP of Player Personnel somehow not qualify because there is an Executive VP above it? Confusing.

The fact these guys can make so called "lateral moves" or work in more or less the same position minus the title, and skirt certain requirements makes the whole damn thing absurd. What's to stop them from creating some new position with some unrelated title to poach an OC and having essentially 2 OC on their team? Not complaining about any of the processes, but just really find it amusing since the NYFL cares so much about "integrity". In regards to what you said about VP of Player Personnel vs Executive VP above.....how do they know some team isn't doing just that? How do they know that 2 different dudes aren't doing the same thing? lol laughable.....

 

[tuckeverlasting]

hopefully, from now on wolf is a personnel and draft ****.

 

[Zuma]

A couple possibilities pretty much everyone has overlooked: Consider that Wolf might be amenable to deferring final say on players to Vrabel.

Pretty much the conversation here the past 24 hours.

Also, that Vrabel actually might like Wolf and figure he can be productive alongside Cowden.

Wolf would probably be gone if he didn't like him. Vrabs called him Eliot 6 times at least today.

 

[TommyD4207]

Why are there so many Wolf advocates here? He was just as terrible at his job as Mayo, possibly worse. If Belichick had made the picks Wolf made, everyone would be up in arms.

1) Name they have heard of before
2) Don't know what a general manager does
3) Don't know any other names that would be markedly better
4) Boston Sports Media has no idea about the structure of the front office right now, and losing Mayo means they've lost almost all their contacts, so reporting is pretty worthless, and see #1.

 

[juny]

Not a fan of wolf/groh. They were pretty high up there in the personnel department when BB last few drafts and roster building wasn't great. I would prefer a clean break and do a real rebuild from a clean slate

 

[vicspats]

Crazy … two dynasties, sucking assmunk the last few years … today is a GREAT day , and yet sooo much *****ing lol … welcome to New England

 

[Huckleberry1]

Interesting comment by Vrabes re: Wolf

He used his words very carefully.

"There were some things that didn't allow him to completely invest in personnel".

3:35 mark.

Yep. I think the Wolf bashing is way off the mark.

 

[Huckleberry1]

1) Name they have heard of before
2) Don't know what a general manager does
3) Don't know any other names that would be markedly better
4) Boston Sports Media has no idea about the structure of the front office right now, and losing Mayo means they've lost almost all their contacts, so reporting is pretty worthless, and see #1.

They also don’t understand that last years free agent market was absolute dogshit, that’s why Robert Hunt got 100 million.

And for some reason they don’t grasp that it takes more than one year to evaluate a draft, especially players drafted after the first round, the vast majority of whom don’t really contribute year one. It could turn out that he missed in a bunch of guys, or a number of them could turn into decent players, we just don’t know yet. Although some of the fans here were clearly better GM’s than those in the NFL, and they were just using their phones to scout.

 

[AQPE]

Woody Johnson = dumb