The Official Vrabel vs Ben Johnson Discussion Thread

[TommyD4207]

Head coach – Mike Vrabel

Offensive coaches

Offensive coordinator – Josh McDaniels
Quarterbacks – Josh McDaniels
Running backs – Tony Dews
Wide receivers – Wes Welker
Tight ends – Bob Bicknell
Offensive line – Scott Peters

Defensive coaches

Defensive coordinator – Shane Bowen
Defensive line – Jerry Montgomery
Linebackers – Dont'a Hightower
Cornerbacks – Mike Pellegrino
Safeties – Brian Belichick

Special teams coaches

Special teams coordinator – Jeremy Springer
Kick & punt returners – Troy Brown

Strength and conditioning – Moses Cabrera

Moses Cabrera just signed on with North Carolina and Belichick.

Also, I'm not sure Dont'a Hightower's a good linebackers coach.

 

[Love The Drake]

I have no problem with MacDaniels as a coach, but I have a big problem with returning to the E-P offense, especially since there are only a couple of guys left who run it, so if MacDaniels leaves again then they will have to switch offenses again, and changing offenses repeatedly for a young QB is really bad idea.

EP is what Ben Johnson always runs. Plus Drake was called the smartest man in the building I’m sure he will pick it up in no time.
The only concern I would have is translating that to young WRs.
I think we should put calls out to Seattle for Metcalf and Philly for Brown:

 

[Love The Drake]

Moses Cabrera just signed on with North Carolina and Belichick.

Also, I'm not sure Dont'a Hightower's a good linebackers coach.

I think anyone Jerod brought on won’t be here, but I really like Springer.

 

[Huckleberry1]

EP is what Ben Johnson always runs. Plus Drake was called the smartest man in the building I’m sure he will pick it up in no time.
The only concern I would have is translating that to young WRs.
I think we should put calls out to Seattle for Metcalf and Philly for Brown:

I hate that offense, I was really happy it was gone with Belichick.

 

[Zuma]

Moses Cabrera just signed on with North Carolina and Belichick.

Also, I'm not sure Dont'a Hightower's a good linebackers coach.

I wasn't sure about Cabrera

I'm not sure if Dont'a is good either

 

[Grogan14]

Colorado's Deion Sanders interested in Las Vegas Raiders opening, per report

Colorado football coach Deion Sanders is strongly interested in the Las Vegas Raiders opening, according to a report.

www.yahoo.com

Probably means Raiders will draft Sanders two sons and take the head coaching gig in Vegas

Johnson to Bears Glenn to Jets

 

[Real fan 02]

Right, avp would show this for maybe a drive or 2 with pre snap motion or a nicely designed screen, but then the offense will hit a multi quarter lull without anything. I feel like we haven’t consistently run successful screens and gadget plays since 20 or 21.

Yes, the OL particularly as AVP had no confidence in them so I think that's why the creativity and design has been lacking.. prior to Drake it was solely the QB position.

 

[Zuma]

Colorado's Deion Sanders interested in Las Vegas Raiders opening, per report

Colorado football coach Deion Sanders is strongly interested in the Las Vegas Raiders opening, according to a report.

www.yahoo.com

Probably means Raiders will draft Sanders two sons and take the head coaching gig in Vegas

Johnson to Bears Glenn to Jets

Deion could say his son's won't play for anyone else. Pick #6 is not too far for Shedeur to be drafted. OR maybe we trade with them.

 

[Real fan 02]

I was a huge audiophile til I met my wife.
She hates loud audio, and bass,
I told all my speakers and subs and audio components.
My favorite component back in the day was a Hardman Karson cd recorder player. It was the first cd burner on the market I believe and I made some nice side money burning and selling cds. But the audio quality on that cd player I’ve never heard a cd player with better sound quality.

Ah man.. I'm sorry you had to do that. I love bass, audio, woofers you name it. Had it all then. I ended up selling alot of my stuff as well when we started having the kids.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I have no problem with MacDaniels as a coach, but I have a big problem with returning to the E-P offense, especially since there are only a couple of guys left who run it, so if MacDaniels leaves again then they will have to switch offenses again, and changing offenses repeatedly for a young QB is really bad idea.

Agreed. I don’t see him leaving again though at least anytime soon, hard to think anyone would want to give him another shot as hc now. He could potentially be our spagnoula offensively where hes kind of stuck

 

[Huckleberry1]

Agreed. I don’t see him leaving again though at least anytime soon, hard to think anyone would want to give him another shot as hc now. He could potentially be our spagnoula offensively where hes kind of stuck

That may be, but I still hate that offense. I was so happy to see them go to a west coast offense, and Maye took right to it.

 

[Real fan 02]

Agreed. I don’t see him leaving again though at least anytime soon, hard to think anyone would want to give him another shot as hc now. He could potentially be our spagnoula offensively where hes kind of stuck

Josh has made plenty to have generations of wealth. I believe he's content on being an OC. That's his niche and what I believe is Josh will design the offense for Drake to his abilities.. we all know he had the GOAT but he's never has a QB with the athletic abilities of Drake.

 

[Real fan 02]

Agreed. I don’t see him leaving again though at least anytime soon, hard to think anyone would want to give him another shot as hc now. He could potentially be our spagnoula offensively where hes kind of stuck

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

That may be, but I still hate that offense. I was so happy to see them go to a west coast offense, and Maye took right to it.

Is the other rumored guy rees a west coast guy?

 

[sportnik]

Moses Cabrera just signed on with North Carolina and Belichick.

Also, I'm not sure Dont'a Hightower's a good linebackers coach.

Definitely would like to see them keep Bucknell & Springer.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Is the other rumored guy rees a west coast guy?

I don’t know, but I sure hope so. E-P is a dinasaur. It’s really complicated, and poses serious issues for both the QB and receivers to learn it. Maye is a really football savvy kid, but trying to get the receivers on the same page in that offense is going to be a *****. Even long time veteran receivers were saying “ WTF?” When they came to the Patriots.

 

[sportnik]

I hate that offense, I was really happy it was gone with Belichick.

Couldn’t disagree more. We won a lot of Superbowls with EP & so did the Giants & Steelers. It’s more flexible than the WC.

 

[Foxypats]

I would love to see Ben Johnson over here. I know all the plus points for getting Vrabel however I would love to see an offensive genius run this team. I want to see creativity on offense and someone that can bring out the best in Maye and I think Ben is the guy for that. He is known for getting the most out of his players, he can also be a no nonsense type of coach , the players love him and they also respect . I love Vrabel , but it's time we went away from the safe, warm and fuzzy feelings that Kraft has and from the nostalgic past .
They are both very capable , but going in a different direction is what this team needs going forward . Ben could be the next coach for 20 plus years . Having said that, I think they will probably hire Vrabel. Regardless, the wait is killing me !!

 

[Huckleberry1]

Couldn’t disagree more. We won a lot of Superbowls with EP & so did the Giants & Steelers. It’s more flexible than the WC.

Then we are going to disagree on it, because I’m done with it.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]