Will Eliot Wolf survive the week?

[Toofy]

Hooper. Gibson. Slye is better than Ryland.

And Judon trade was a killer trade ... Need to give him credit for that and getting something for uche.

 

[Huckleberry1]

This is about Wolf in general not the first round. He failed in every area improving this team besides QB

In other words you know that it’s a reality in the NFL that the vast majority of kids picked after the 1st round don’t contribute significantly their rookie year, if ever, but since reality doesn’t fit your narrative you are just going to apply completely unrealistic standards to Wolf.

 

[lancerman]

In other words you know that it’s a reality in the NFL that the vast majority of kids picked after the 1st round don’t contribute significantly their rookie year, if ever, but since reality doesn’t fit your narrative you are just going to apply completely unrealistic standards to Wolf.

He had free agency as well. He also passed on Ladd for Polk. Even if you want to say "oh after the first round we don't see many contributors" he literally passed on one for the worst WR picked in this draft class.

Spare me the "oh he has unrealistic expectations". He hit on the one guy where everyone and their mother knew we were going to pick him.

 

[Huckleberry1]

This is about Wolf in general not the first round. He failed in every area improving this team besides QB

They actually got worse, which imo points to the coaching staff, and not the GM.

 

[lancerman]

They actually got worse, which imo points to the coaching staff, and not the GM.

They had the same record. A banged up defense did worse without the GOAT defensive coach leading the way. That's not shocking. You aren't getting Bill Belichick back ever so the idea that a mediocre defense is going to play above it's paygrade in that way is silly.

The defense declined and the offense was about the same/slightly better to a negligible degree.

It's a talent thing. Has been for the last 6 years.

 

[Huckleberry1]

He had free agency as well. He also passed on Ladd for Polk. Even if you want to say "oh after the first round we don't see many contributors" he literally passed on one for the worst WR picked in this draft class.

Spare me the "oh he has unrealistic expectations". He hit on the one guy where everyone and their mother knew we were going to pick him.

Your unreasonable expectations are just that. Unreasonable expectations. And last year’s free agent market absolutely sucked, which is why so many of them ended up overpaid. Wolf was right not to spend heavily in it, and now he has 135 million free to use in a better market, and with no significant names of their own to re-sign Good approach imo. I’ll wait and see how he handles this coming offseason, and how they do with a better coach and coaching staff. And if he fails I’ll be more than happy to own my position on him, but the 6-8 months you and others gave him before calling for his head was ridiculous.

 

[lancerman]

Your unreasonable expectations are just that. Unreasonable expectations. And last year’s free agent market absolutely sucked, which is why so many of them ended up overpaid. Wolf was right not to spend heavily in it, and now he has 235 million free to use in a better market, and with no significant names of their own to re-sign Good approach imo. I’ll wait and see how he handles this coming offseason, and how they do with a better coach and coaching staff. And if he fails I’ll be more than happy to own my position on him, but the 6-8 months you and others gave him before calling for his head was ridiculous.

In yet the Commanders somehow brought in a ton of talent and are now i the playoffs.

I just think it's funny as hell that we were okay giving Mayo 6-8 months but it's too early for the guy who has the worst roster in the NFL and did next to nothing to improve it besides one layup that he was pretty much forced into.

 

[Triumph]

Bill always had final say. He allowed more input in later years, but it was always his call.

And Wolf was a consultant for most of his time with New England.

BB wanted to oust Corky Jones and Kraft told him no. Kraft told BB trade Jimmy because Brady went to Kraft and complained about him. Trading Jimmy was the beginning of the end of BB in NE.

BB did not have final say and thats why he wanted to be fired so Kraft would have to pay him in full.

 

[Rob0729]

BB wanted to oust Corky Jones and Kraft told him no. Kraft told BB trade Jimmy because Brady went to Kraft and complained about him. Trading Jimmy was the beginning of the end of BB in NE.

BB did not have final say and thats why he wanted to be fired so Kraft would have to pay him in full.

You are rewriting history. What you are writing is spin especially that Belichick wanted to be fired. That might be the dumbest thing I have ever read. Belichick does not want that he was fired being part of his legacy. He would have rather quit.

 

[PWRxWLF]

Gag me. RKK just said he’s retaining Wolf and Co. Terrible arranged marriage for new coach.

 

[upstater1]

Bill always had final say. He allowed more input in later years, but it was always his call.

And Wolf was a consultant for most of his time with New England.

But Bill was in charge on how the scouting department was set up. He didn't believe in analytics. He thought it was garbage. So there was no analytic department. He didn't believe in sport science either. The Patriots' scouting department is one of the smallest staffs in the NFL if not the smallest. So Wolf was always working with the tools he was given which was not much.

Now he may agree with Belichick that having a robust scouting department and using advanced tools like analytics are useless. But maybe he is for much of what most of the best tools that the top teams have are necessary and haven't been given them - yet.

I mean if you are asked to drive a car blindfolded and only allowed to use your other senses to drive the car, I am guessing you will crash the car.

Analystics is what brought us JuJu instead of Jakobi

 

[jdlboot14]

Wolf has gotten a lot more hate than he deserves. Sure, he's been around a few years, but BB had all GM power and called the shots.
The '23 & '24 drafts were not horrible. And the '24 offseason was not bad at all.
In fact - a lot of needed and sensible moves were made. Several didn't pan out - due to injury or system fit...
That does not mean that the right ideas are being implemented.

Wolf led the '23 draft process, and it was actually a great success based on probability -
Draft - Gonzo, White, Mapu, Boutte, Baringer, Douglas, Bolden - 7 of 12 that played major roles on this years team.

Wolf led the '24 draft & FA as GM, and the shots that were taken were 100% necessary (no final assessment yet).
Draft - Maye, Polk, Wallace, Robinson - top 4 picked. Polk and Wallace had a redshirt year, and deserve to live up to rated potential
Bottom of Draft - incomplete - Baker, Dial, Milton, Bell - show good potential. (Polk & Baker didn't mesh with this coaching staff)

FA was far better than recent BB years. Wolf took shots that were needed, a lot just fell flat - 50% has to be coaching fault.
Retained - GOOD: Bourne, Henry, Austin, Onwenu, Jennings, Elliss. (BAD - Uche, Wheatley, Reagor, Rourke)
Signed - GOOD: Brissett, Hooper, Gibson, Hawkins, Takitaki, Watts. (BAD - Osborn, Okorafor, Leverett)

More hits than misses - and that's amidst a very low-value destination with the 1st year after a 24-yr legend who ran everything.

 

[jdlboot14]

Analystics is what brought us JuJu instead of Jakobi

Don't pin that on Wolf. That was 100% BB's stubbornness and vendetta against Mac.

I'd love to bring Jakobi back this offseason. He's held down a terrible team, with a terrible QB - as a WR1.

 

[fresnostatealum]

Man I can’t believe Wolf weaseled his way into staying on.

This should have been a clean break. This half measured **** is not going to help get a good candidate, not to mention I have zero trust in Wolf improving the team through FA or the draft.

 

[upstater1]

Don't pin that on Wolf. That was 100% BB's stubbornness and vendetta against Mac.

I'd love to bring Jakobi back this offseason. He's held down a terrible team, with a terrible QB - as a WR1.

I'll go by Callahan's article since it makes complete 100% sense. Jakobi had everything the Patriots old system prized, moved the chains, kept the offense on schedule. The new metrics guys touted his YAC over Jakobis. It's funny that a lot of threads by posters on this board argued the same as metrics in making the comparison, but only Callahan wrote an extensive article showing that Belichick was in Jakobi's corner and had to be convinced to go with the metrics (i.e. JuJu).

This article, BTW, came out BEFORE the 2023 season, so it's not in retrospect.

Vendetta against Mac? What are you talking about? Belichick made the right decision on Mac, if only Kraft had gone along with it. Mac is useless.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Slye is better than Ryland.

Not according to their kicking stats. Ryland is more accurate, younger, and has a stronger leg. Check the stats. Another complete botched decision by Wolf and Mayo to keep Slye.

 

[Zuma]

It's more probable than not that the HC has already been identified and basic terms of employment are agreed. If Vrabel didn't know Wolf...he absolutely does now and would be comfortable as him being the Personnel guy...otherwise Kraft probably wouldn't have mentioned Wolf staying on in the same / similar position.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Wolf led the '23 draft process, and it was actually a great success based on probability -
Draft - Gonzo, White, Mapu, Boutte, Baringer, Douglas, Bolden - 7 of 12 that played major roles on this years team.

You forgot Sow, Boutte,and Ryland. Also Ryland out kicked Slye for the year with more accuracy and a stronger leg. Keeping Slye instead of Ryland was a huge management mistake.

FA was far better than recent BB years.

The last 4 or 5 years of the BB era is now our standard. If you were better than BB from 2019/2020 to 2023 than you are good? SMH.

 

[Zuma]

Not according to their kicking stats. Ryland is more accurate, younger, and has a stronger leg. Check the stats. Another complete botched decision by Wolf and Mayo to keep Slye.

Ryland's career FG% is 77
Slye's career FG% is 82

 

[Rob0729]

Analystics is what brought us JuJu instead of Jakobi

The Patriots have no true analytics. There was no department like most teams have today. Surface level analytics and one example is not a damnation of the practice. And you can have the best analytics in the world, but they are not going to give you a medical analysis of a player's knee to show it was completely shot.