Will Eliot Wolf survive the week?

[Dec54]

I feel sorry you got a hard on for a career back up QB in a throw away game from a team who gave you every opportunity to win it.

Today's take away isn't Milton.

Damn I didn't get a hard on watching Milton. Have to start taking the tablets again

 

[festy1986]

No one ever suggested he would take Maye’s job. What many do believe is that strong showings from him increase his value both as a back up and trade bait. They should be drafting a project QB every year to try and develop for both of these reasons, as they are a prized commodity in the NFL.

First round pick or he rides the bench.

 

[Huckleberry1]

First round pick or he rides the bench.

I thought you thought he was a career back up?

 

[festy1986]

I thought you thought he was a career back up?

Isn't that what you think he is? If not you don't want a first round pick for him?

He's the backup. If you wanna trade for him you're gonna give us value. We don't give away players.

 

[Rob0729]

Wolf will likely last through the draft. They need continuity in the front office even if they hire someone new. Wolf could stay beyond, but I hope they allow Vrabel (let's face it, Vrabel will be the guy) to have someone above him calling the shots. That person should be sympatico with Vrabel and knows how to build the team that Vrabel wants and needs to be successful.

I still wonder how much of Wolf's draft failures have been due to poor coaching. I know that in hindsight that Polk looks to be a terrible pick, but I remember a lot of experts claiming immediately post draft that Polk was one of the steals of the draft. I wonder how much is he cannot play and how much is he wasn't developed correctly.

And Wolf's free agency was better than people give him credit for. Gibson and Hooper were very good pick ups. He did keep key guys like Henry, Dugger (who I assume will rebound next year), and Onwenu.

Maybe Wolf with someone above him and given the resources of other teams in terms of sports science and analytics, can be successful.

 

[festy1986]

Wolf will likely last through the draft. They need continuity in the front office even if they hire someone new. Wolf could stay beyond, but I hope they allow Vrabel (let's face it, Vrabel will be the guy) to have someone above him calling the shots. That person should be sympatico with Vrabel and knows how to build the team that Vrabel wants and needs to be successful.

I still wonder how much of Wolf's draft failures have been due to poor coaching. I know that in hindsight that Polk looks to be a terrible pick, but I remember a lot of experts claiming immediately post draft that Polk was one of the steals of the draft. I wonder how much is he cannot play and how much is he wasn't developed correctly.

And Wolf's free agency was better than people give him credit for. Gibson and Hooper were very good pick ups. He did keep key guys like Henry, Dugger (who I assume will rebound next year), and Onwenu.

Maybe Wolf with someone above him and given the resources of other teams in terms of sports science and analytics, can be successful.

No. He's ass. It wasn't better than we give him credit for.

Letting him have control of how we spend our money and who we pick just to let him go in the spring is nothing short of a felony.

He's gone.

 

[Rob0729]

No. He's ass. It wasn't better than we give him credit for.

Letting him have control of how we spend our money and who we pick just to let him go in the spring is nothing short of a felony.

He's gone.

He has been in charge one year in a bad free agency. We do not know how good he will be at the job.

Look at John Lynch's first year or two as GM. He was an absolute disaster. He was a punchline for the NFL. Subsequent years, he hit homerun after homerun in free agency and the draft.

I want someone above him who is Vrabel's guy. But I haven't given up on Wolf just yet. But I also wouldn't cry if he was let go.

 

[festy1986]

He has been in charge one year in a bad free agency. We do not know how good he will be at the job.

Look at John Lynch's first year or two as GM. He was an absolute disaster. He was a punchline for the NFL. Subsequent years, he hit homerun after homerun in free agency and the draft.

He's been in the room for years. Literally years. We was told he was to help Bill with his decisions due to bad drafting by Bill.

Wolf is gone. We will not force him on two head coaches.

 

[Real fan 02]

To Wolf's credit he seems like he has an eye for QB's. Joe Milton even though he costs us the #1 overall: look a hell of a lot better than Brissett.

I think Drake saves wolf for at this season while Vrabel gets his imprint on the team. Brissett may not have another job how Terrible he was this season.

 

[lancerman]

How do you know what he will turn out to be? And he doesn’t have to be a star to get a good return for him, if a QB needy team thinks he’s good they will pay for him.

So yes, he got two QB’s out of this draft.

Maybe but he was set up to look good in that game. Brissett would have balled against that Bills D. We never had receivers that open all year.

Either way even if I ignore context and concede your point, only one of those QB’s will be here longterm and he missed on every other position and we are beyond the “looking for a QB” phase.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

In Wolf's current role, wouldn't he be the guy conducting the head coach interviews? Wouldn't that get awkward if the new coach wants a new GM. Feels like it'd be cleaner for Kraft to just can Wolf sooner and do the whole process himself, that way he knows he's getting guys who are on the same page and want to work together.

I wonder if it might best for all parties if Wolf stays on through the draft. Let a new head coach come in with "his guy" as the GM. Wolf stays on through the draft to share his institutional knowledge to aid in the transition and, for his own development, be a fly on the wall for the new ideas and thinking of the guy we hire. It takes Wolf swallowing his pride to stay in a reduced role without much decision making power rather than just go get a new job now. But if he does push aside pride, it'd probably be good for him.

 

[farn]

Shouldn’t be in charge. Move on with new GM & HC.

 

[PatsFan2]

He's been in the room for years. Literally years. We was told he was to help Bill with his decisions due to bad drafting by Bill.

Wolf is gone. We will not force him on two head coaches.

I don't know Fiesty I'm mixed ^ there.

 

[festy1986]

I don't know Fiesty I'm mixed ^ there.

If he's not gone, I'll see you next January while we do this same song and dance all over again.

 

[PatsFan2]

If he's not gone, I'll see you next January while we do this same song and dance all over again.

I think it all went downhill for Wolf last FA with Teams retaining their own Players: and other Team Players not wanting to come here. Wolf get's another FA and Draft I think he learns for his previous mistakes. I am banking on his Green Bay roots.

 

[Grogan14]

Wolfie definitely threw mayo under the bus as part of his cowardly cover your ass plan when he said "The internal development;opment program did not meet expectations"

How about your personnel evaluations did not meet expectations. Hate his lack of accountability there

 

[Rob0729]

He's been in the room for years. Literally years. We was told he was to help Bill with his decisions due to bad drafting by Bill.

Wolf is gone. We will not force him on two head coaches.

Bill always had final say. He allowed more input in later years, but it was always his call.

And Wolf was a consultant for most of his time with New England.

But Bill was in charge on how the scouting department was set up. He didn't believe in analytics. He thought it was garbage. So there was no analytic department. He didn't believe in sport science either. The Patriots' scouting department is one of the smallest staffs in the NFL if not the smallest. So Wolf was always working with the tools he was given which was not much.

Now he may agree with Belichick that having a robust scouting department and using advanced tools like analytics are useless. But maybe he is for much of what most of the best tools that the top teams have are necessary and haven't been given them - yet.

I mean if you are asked to drive a car blindfolded and only allowed to use your other senses to drive the car, I am guessing you will crash the car.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Maybe but he was set up to look good in that game. Brissett would have balled against that Bills D. We never had receivers that open all year.

Either way even if I ignore context and concede your point, only one of those QB’s will be here longterm and he missed on every other position and we are beyond the “looking for a QB” phase.

I agree that only one QB will be here long term, and that will be Maye.

As for the rookies by your logic every rookie who was picked after the 1st round in the NFL Draft but didn’t contribute significantly this season is a bust, so every GM in football had a terrible draft. The vast majority of prospects picked after the first round don’t contribute significantly their first year, and if they were judged solely by that criteria should immediately be cut. IMO it’s the job of the coaching staff to develop those players and get as much out of them as possible, and Mayo and his staff weren’t up to that job, and that’s why my primary criteria for the next coach is the ability to hire the best possible coaching staff, one that CAN develop young prospects and turn them into NFL players who contribute.

 

[lancerman]

I agree that only one QB will be here long term, and that will be Maye.

As for the rookies by your logic every rookie who was picked after the 1st round in the NFL Draft but didn’t contribute significantly this season is a bust, so every GM in football had a terrible draft. The vast majority of prospects picked after the first round don’t contribute significantly their first year, and if they were judged solely by that criteria should immediately be cut. IMO it’s the job of the coaching staff to develop those players and get as much out of them as possible, and Mayo and his staff weren’t up to that job, and that’s why my primary criteria for the next coach is the ability to hire the best possible coaching staff, one that CAN develop young prospects and turn them into NFL players who contribute.

This is about Wolf in general not the first round. He failed in every area improving this team besides QB

 

[Zuma]

This is about Wolf in general not the first round. He failed in every area improving this team besides QB

Hooper. Gibson. Slye is better than Ryland.