PATRIOTS NEWS Jerod Mayo FIRED per Schefter

[Sect140]

I guess a dome

Absolutely not.

 

[Steve102]

Mayo should go back to college or somewhere else , build his connections and repertoire and aim for a HC position 6-8 years down the line. Might be better served if he worked under Brian Flores.

The best thing for his career would have been to not take the guarantee from Kraft to begin with. He should have left to build his network and probably worked a couple spots before taking a HC job.

I wonder what the success rate of rookie HCs is.

 

[festy1986]

The best thing for his career would have been to not take the guarantee from Kraft to begin with. He should have left to build his network and probably worked a couple spots before taking a HC job.

I wonder what the success rate of rookie HCs is.

People seem to forget that he was going to be hired by the Carolina Panthers for their head coaching job.

He was literally out the door and that's why Kraft stepped in and gave him that new contract with a guarantee to be the coach.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The best thing for his career would have been to not take the guarantee from Kraft to begin with. He should have left to build his network and probably worked a couple spots before taking a HC job.

There is the phrase, "Fake it till you make it". While true, if there is such a huge gap in preparedness, tools, and skills compared to the role's requirements, all the faking in the world wont save you from failure.

I wonder what the success rate of rookie HCs is.

"Success" is in the eyes of the beholder. Clearly Mayo's was a disaster.

 

[maust]

None of that matters. The move was about getting a new stadium. All the nonsense on why it how doesn't make a difference to the point they the rams were not happy with their current stadium.

What matters is the situations with Kroenke's and Kraft's stadiums were nowhere near analogous. The why and how matters a lot, like half a billion's worth of a lot The Rams move wa$ about getting out of St Louis and into LA. It had nothing to do with the stadium situation in St Louis. From their owner's standpoint the Rams weren't just in a bad stadium, they were in the wrong city to print money. Kroenke misrepresented the city's position regarding stadium improvements to the league, which is why he had to pony up half a billion out of his own pocket to pay off the city. It was all about the $$$ for Kroenke and the league, he didn't hesitate to throw over his home state for a windfall. Kraft's goal from the moment he began negotiating with the old Foxborough Raceway was not just to own the New England Patriots but to keep them the New England Patriots.

Kraft is no saint, like any human being he's got flaws and he's made mistakes but the stadium isn't one of them. Krafty Bob did alright by his fellow Pats fans there. Kroenke ended up being reviled as a carpetbagger in his own home town, which is a major feat of dbaggery in anybody's book albeit one that came with a half billion dollar price tag.

 

[PatsFan2]

People seem to forget that he was going to be hired by the Carolina Panthers for their head coaching job.

He was literally out the door and that's why Kraft stepped in and gave him that new contract with a guarantee to be the coach.

Where was that Mayo on a Milk carton??

 

[RobertWeathers]

People seem to forget that he was going to be hired by the Carolina Panthers for their head coaching job.

He was literally out the door and that's why Kraft stepped in and gave him that new contract with a guarantee to be the coach.

The conversations with CAR never got that far as he cancelled the interview. Saying they were going to hire him is a bit of an assumption.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

 

[Foxypats]

Gross miscalculation, on how vindictive Jerod could be.
Kraft would have never thought Jerod was malicious.

Well then Kraft is dumb. He should have realized that Mayo can be a jerk ( that is putting it mildly) considering all the horrible things he did and said about Bill this last year. He stomped all over the very person that mentored him as a player and a coach . Kraft should have realized that Mayo is a vindictive person . Gross miscalculation, even if RK couldn’t see it, Jonathan should have.

 

[festy1986]

The conversations with CAR never got that far as he cancelled the interview. Saying they were going to hire him is a bit of an assumption.

It wasn't a assumption for Kraft. I remember reporting being he was the front runner.

Same as Vrabel with us now.

Either way. Kraft felt like he was gone and gave him every incentive not to leave.

 

[festy1986]

What matters is the situations with Kroenke's and Kraft's stadiums were nowhere near analogous. The why and how matters a lot. lie half a billion's worth of a lot The Rams move wa$ about getting out of St Louis and into LA. It had nothing to do with the stadium situation in St Louis. From their owner's standpoint the Rams weren't just in a bad stadium, they were in the wrong city to print money. Kroenke misrepresented the city's position regarding stadium improvements to the league, which is why he had to pony up half a billion out of his own pocket to pay off the city. It was all about the $$$ for Kroenke and the league, he didn't hesitate to throw over his home state for a windfall. Kraft's goal from the moment he began negotiating with the old Foxborough Raceway was not just to own the New England Patriots but to keep them the New England Patriots.

Kraft is no saint, like any human being he's got flaws and he's made mistakes but the stadium isn't one of them. Krafty Bob did alright by his fellow Pats fans there. Kroenke ended up being reviled as a carpetbagger in his own home town, which is a major feat of dbaggery in anybody's book albeit one that came with a half billion dollar price tag.

I think you misunderstand the point.

The point is is that someone was asking if anyone besides the Titans and had a stadium built around the time the Patriots did who has received a new one.

You're not going to get an argument or debate from me about whether LA is a better market than St Louis. I will debate and argue whether or not you're saying that they never needed a new stadium and was only leveraging it to move out of town. I don't think that's true at all. They clearly wanted a new stadium and they also clearly wanted to leave. Both can be true.

The point is is that Gillette is antiquated and is in the middle of the pack and the idea of not getting a new stadium simply because the current stadium is only 22 years old isn't a reasonabe excuse anymore.

Kraft did well with the stadium at the time but we're reaching the point where we're closing in on it being almost as old as the old foxboro stadium. I know that's insane but that's true. In 8 short years it will be older than the old tin can.

It's not a unreasonable desire to start thinking about the next phase.

 

[Ross12]

So Volin is now walking back his own reporting from yesterday, when he said AVP was fired?

Maybe we should call him Trollin’ Mayo.

So it's still a "Walk Back Monday" even without Mayo. Classic!

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I still don't think he knows that he can yell at the refs when he thinks his team is being jobbed. As bad as they were this year, there were many bad or biased calls that went against the Pats. Never yelled at a ref for any of it.

My take is that he did not understand what was unfolding before him. You can't react if you don't know what's happening. You can't react to a pattern of bad officiating if your working memory is 15 seconds. There is no pattern, only now. That's not to say he doesn't remember, he just couldn't hold enough of the game history in his head to reason about it on the fly. And then even when you see a bad call in isolation, you have to know why it's a bad call. You have to make an argument to the official. You have to know the rulebook. Someone can tell you in your ear that it's a bad call, but the referee will respond, and you have to respond back intelligently. All totally beyond him.

 

[Steve102]

"Success" is in the eyes of the beholder. Clearly Mayo's was a disaster.

I did find this, albeit it's from 2021:
Deep Dive: Evaluating Success Rate for First-Year Head Coaches

If you look at just the rookie head coaches since 2008 -- which is 60 out of the 84 (71.4%) new HC hires -- they account for 17 of the 24 new coaches that have made the playoffs in their first year (70.8%). Historically, this means that new rookie HCs are about 41.7% more likely to make the playoffs than new HCs who had prior head coaching experience. Those 60 rookie HCs since 2008 have had a combined record of 422-522-1, which is a .447 winning percentage (or just about 7 wins).

I am surprised by the conclusion TBH, but I guess that's why fans ***** about retread coaches, and why owners of teams are so willing to try the newest thing. There's analytics that support such a stance.

 

[Simpelton]

Congratulations, Bob, you've morphed into Jimmy Haslam.

I'm sorry, this is frankly ridiculous. Mayo wasn't the problem. Wolf isn't the problem either. The problem is that the roster suffered from years of systemic neglect. We were trying to kick the can down the road to squeeze one last year of competition and kept robbing Peter to pay Paul in order to do so. You can do that for awhile, but when things collapse, it tends to fall apart all at once. That's what happened to the Patriots, and it was inevitable.

7+ years of absolute neglect can't be fixed in a single offseason. This is not a problem where you can just slap a bandaid on it, switch a few personnel around and suddenly the roster is talented again. We're going to have to take a page from Bill's book and DO THE HARD WORK if we want a return to glory.

ANY rebuild needs to be at least a 3 year plan. This was year 1. Pulling the starter chain on the chainsaw NOW is unbelievably foolish. Good luck getting any respectable, professional people to come to work in New England if this becomes a habit for the Kraft family.

This is the way great franchises become joke franchises. Owner interference, unrealistic expectations and an itchy trigger fighre are not how organizations succeed, it's how they fester and fail.

 

[Steve102]

My take is that he did not understand what was unfolding before him. You can't react if you don't know what's happening. You can't react to a pattern of bad officiating if your working memory is 15 seconds. There is no pattern, only now. That's not to say he doesn't remember, he just couldn't hold enough of the game history in his head to reason about it on the fly. And then even when you see a bad call in isolation, you have to know why it's a bad call. You have to make an argument to the official. You have to know the rulebook. Someone can tell you in your ear that it's a bad call, but the referee will respond, and you have to respond back intelligently. All totally beyond him.

There was more than once this season that he looked like deer in the headlights . The first Bills game was the first time I noticed that he was actually doing some in game coaching. I get that we are beholden to what the network shows us, but that's what it looked like to me. Flatline, emotionless, just sitting there letting it unfold instead of trying to affect the outcome like his predecessor.

 

[Brotherblues]

There is the phrase, "Fake it till to make it". While true, if there is such a gap in preparedness, tools, and skills to succeed in a new role all the faking in the world wont save you from failure.

"Success" is in the eyes of the beholder. Clearly Mayo's was a disaster.

You hit on something that's a core Mayo issue that people don't know about unless they've dug really deep into him. He's said he has "impostor syndrome" and that he constantly puts himself in uncomfortable situations on purpose to prove that he belongs. The problem is that he only tends to prove the opposite. He finally put himself in a position that directly affects enough people (not just the team but a whole fanbase) and with enough exposure that he could not fake it.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Blowing the #1 draft pick was very 1990's "Victor Kiam" type of stuff that made the Patriots a joke for much of my life. Would have been more optimistic Monday with a veteran coach hopefully soon to be hired and dealing the first pick for more first round picks for the new regime to rebuild. Really have to question Kraft's pro football IQ to allow this to happen.

Kraft let Mayo burn him one last time. He trusted him again, letting Mayo know the decision before the game. He was sure that Mayo was a man of character and would go out like a class act, doing what was right for the organization. Sadly, Mayo proved to be the selfish man-child many of us had him pegged as, and scammed Bob one last time with a burst of vindictive destructiveness, typical of a jilted cult leader. He knew Bob couldn't fire him during the game for trying to win. The call came to sit Maye (somehow), so Mayo called on Milton and said, "Now's your chance to shine and launch your career." Mayo's retribution is why the axe fell so swiftly -- basically as quickly as it could and even then it raised eyebrows.

Jerod Mayo is a terrible person and I will be shocked if he ever does anything in the NFL again, even inflating footballs. The whole league saw what he's made of on Sunday.

 

[festy1986]

Congratulations, Bob, you've morphed into Jimmy Haslam.

I'm sorry, this is frankly ridiculous. Mayo wasn't the problem. Wolf isn't the problem either. The problem is that the roster suffered from years of systemic neglect. We were trying to kick the can down the road to squeeze one last year of competition and kept robbing Peter to pay Paul in order to do so. You can do that for awhile, but when things collapse, it tends to fall apart all at once. That's what happened to the Patriots, and it was inevitable.

7+ years of absolute neglect can't be fixed in a single offseason. This is not a problem where you can just slap a bandaid on it, switch a few personnel around and suddenly the roster is talented again. We're going to have to take a page from Bill's book and DO THE HARD WORK if we want a return to glory.

ANY rebuild needs to be at least a 3 year plan. This was year 1. Pulling the starter chain on the chainsaw NOW is unbelievably foolish. Good luck getting any respectable, professional people to come to work in New England if this becomes a habit for the Kraft family.

This is the way great franchises become joke franchises. Owner interference, unrealistic expectations and an itchy trigger fighre are not how organizations succeed, it's how they fester and fail.

Niners fired coaches after one year in back to back seasons and got Shanahan for their troubles.

Mayo was the problem but more importantly even if he wasn't, he wasn't the answer.

 

[Boogs]

This kind of situation defines the joke that is the Rooney rule. Some poor coach is going to have to be trotted out just for the sake of it. If I were a coach of color, I wouldn’t even make the trip without some kind of huge compensation.

Yeah, these NFL teams at minimum probably have to give first class vacations to these minority coaches and their wives. Just to get them to come over and do an interview to satisfy the this rule. I wouldn't be shocked if they had to do more than this. The rule is just wasting everyone's time and money when teams know exactly which guy they want. It's just stupid. And this rule is probably illegal